Microsoft Legal Memo: Responding to government legal demands for customer data

[the2real4mafol]

endimion said:

the2real4mafol said:
I know that but there's nothing suggesting the NSA won't get more powerful in the future and possibly start rounding up political opponents like some "Security agencies" have in the past. I don't really trust any countrie's governments as they could really do anything. They decide who's dangerous and who's not regardless of whether we agree. Like in America in the cold war, apparently communists were a massive "threat" but all it was paranoia in the US government. 

And this countries may collect this data but they don't use well very often. Like George Bush was warned of a terrorist attack in 2001 but he did nothing and so 9/11 happened, probably as an excuse to start 2 unnecessary wars. I know we humans aren't prefect but come on!

Also, why should we all lose our rights especially privacy just because of some pissed off people we choose to not listen too. They are terrorists for some reason or another and yet we don't find out why, instead we discriminate against a whole group of people (currently the muslims) and have a frenzy of paranoia while losing many of our human rights. Why have a constitution if it is not respected? 

Also, the term terrorist is extremely flawed. Depending on your prespectives. Like we see the Taliban as terrorists but they see themselves as freedom fighters of the Muslim world. It's get hard to tell who the terrorist really is after a while. 

But anyway, i see spying as unnecessary and what does it make us all look like if we get to that point? State security is certainly overdone and exaggerated. 

 

Wait what ???? 10 million death in gulags is paranoia???? More people died under USSR regime than Hitler’s 3rd riche and that's without counting the dead in the proxy wars between the west and the eastern bloc..... It’s just straight up death from their own communist Gov...

no it's not hard.... cause we all know nobody was free under Taliban control.... it is perfectly easy to define terrorism.... it is a group of people oppressing their own people or threatening others.... there is absolutely no doubt in anyone sane who is the terrorist.... and once again the paranoia against Muslims is from the people mostly.... live it to the people and you would see way more discrimination towards minorities such as Muslims.... if the govs where thinking on the same line as the people they would not provide visas to those people... I was a student in the US for close to 10 years... the 2 nationalities represented the most after American in my University were Chinese and Saudi.... all of them on student visas.... if the gov was that paranoid they would just have to not provide those visas.....

yeah 9/11 happened... then again they have threats going on all the time and can't treat all of them.... one of my friend's fathers is a retired USAF general they had the WTC mark as potential terrorists target since the late 70's

you don't trust the govs.... fine but remember if you are free of oppression today it is probably thanks to them and to organization like the NSA or your great MI-5/6
and certainly not the people and their pseudo fight for freedom.... I would trust more any western gov to fight for a greater good than the rabid mind of the masses.... we've seen that fail every time.... hatred and paranoia is exactly what would happen... heck the Taliban are exactly what you are talking about.... power to the people abused by the people to oppress the people… I will never trust the common man to do the right thing once power is in its hand…. That shit happens only in movies

 

America were obviously paranoid in the cold war. Why else would McCarthy's red scare have have happened (which was really a witch hunt)? If America weren't paranoid. Also, why did they start 2 proxy wars in this time? And back Al Qaeda in Afghanistan? For some reason or another, America tried to save people from "communism" (USSR and China and all the other countries that were supposedly going communist were authoritarian dictatorships not really communists). But the way i see it is that America is just the biggest hypocrites out there. They work with someone when it's in their interests and then backstab them when they finish with the other enemy. Like how the US and USSR were close allies in WW2 until the Nazis were crushed and then suddenly the 2 superpowers hate each other most likely because of nuclear weapons. Finally, how is the USA and it's allies any better than any "communist" country? They don't kill their own citizens but they certaintly kill other countrie's citizens. Millions unnecessarily killed and maimed in Vietnam and Korea. Neither side is any better than the other.

I know we the west don't like the Taliban but what right did we have to go there? Very little has been achieved in the last 10 years. I mean they still exist in there 1000's don't they? And it's like we never learn either. NO ONE has defeated Afghanistan yet and that hasn't changed with the latest war. No one should went back in 1979, just as they shouldn't be there now. There probably would be no Taliban if it weren't for the Soviets or America. But yeah, since 9/11 the US has gotten tougher on allowing immigrants legally in to the country. They even search tourists for bombs at the airport. It's a bit much.

As for the last paragraph, yeah most people are too selfish and ignorant to run themselves. Only a small minority of people these days can work together and make it work without government.  "when the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace"- Jimi Hendrix. Somehow, i feel the native tribal peoples had it right all along. They were self-reliant, hard working, selfless people who were also sustainable. Then the Europeans came along and we all know what happened after that.

But for now, all i expect the government (i'm talking about the UK here) to do is be open with us and provide a "safety net" of healthcare, education and welfare. I don't except them taking bribes from lobbyists, spreading lies and spying on us while keeping the country backwards because of their retarded ideology which has proven not to work before. They are supposed to represent us and yet the current lot seem to be the most out of touch ever. Finally, why should I be proud of MI5? They just kill people with drones all day long.