the2real4mafol said:
I know that but there's nothing suggesting the NSA won't get more powerful in the future and possibly start rounding up political opponents like some "Security agencies" have in the past. I don't really trust any countrie's governments as they could really do anything. They decide who's dangerous and who's not regardless of whether we agree. Like in America in the cold war, apparently communists were a massive "threat" but all it was paranoia in the US government. And this countries may collect this data but they don't use well very often. Like George Bush was warned of a terrorist attack in 2001 but he did nothing and so 9/11 happened, probably as an excuse to start 2 unnecessary wars. I know we humans aren't prefect but come on! Also, why should we all lose our rights especially privacy just because of some pissed off people we choose to not listen too. They are terrorists for some reason or another and yet we don't find out why, instead we discriminate against a whole group of people (currently the muslims) and have a frenzy of paranoia while losing many of our human rights. Why have a constitution if it is not respected? Also, the term terrorist is extremely flawed. Depending on your prespectives. Like we see the Taliban as terrorists but they see themselves as freedom fighters of the Muslim world. It's get hard to tell who the terrorist really is after a while. But anyway, i see spying as unnecessary and what does it make us all look like if we get to that point? State security is certainly overdone and exaggerated. |
Wait what ???? 10 million death in gulags is paranoia???? More people died under USSR regime than Hitler’s 3rd riche and that's without counting the dead in the proxy wars between the west and the eastern bloc..... It’s just straight up death from their own communist Gov...
no it's not hard.... cause we all know nobody was free under Taliban control.... it is perfectly easy to define terrorism.... it is a group of people oppressing their own people or threatening others.... there is absolutely no doubt in anyone sane who is the terrorist.... and once again the paranoia against Muslims is from the people mostly.... live it to the people and you would see way more discrimination towards minorities such as Muslims.... if the govs where thinking on the same line as the people they would not provide visas to those people... I was a student in the US for close to 10 years... the 2 nationalities represented the most after American in my University were Chinese and Saudi.... all of them on student visas.... if the gov was that paranoid they would just have to not provide those visas.....
yeah 9/11 happened... then again they have threats going on all the time and can't treat all of them.... one of my friend's fathers is a retired USAF general they had the WTC mark as potential terrorists target since the late 70's
you don't trust the govs.... fine but remember if you are free of oppression today it is probably thanks to them and to organization like the NSA or your great MI-5/6
and certainly not the people and their pseudo fight for freedom.... I would trust more any western gov to fight for a greater good than the rabid mind of the masses.... we've seen that fail every time.... hatred and paranoia is exactly what would happen... heck the Taliban are exactly what you are talking about.... power to the people abused by the people to oppress the people… I will never trust the common man to do the right thing once power is in its hand…. That shit happens only in movies
