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kowenicki said:

Now read through the thread... Find the first mention of GT5.

Forza was INTENDED as a game that required an online connection. You don't seem to be getting this at all do you.  The patch is to allow the game to work Offline.

And you are lying about GT, the second patch was required otherwise the online didn't work for many people.

You cant be rational or objective where gt and forza are concerned.

My GT5 comments was a edit after your comment about GT5... my first comment had only the first line... but well nevermind.

That's not what the guy said... he said the cause is the "production schedule"... the game won't be ready for the retail launch... there nothing to do with required online connection BECAUSE Forza 5 never INTENDED to be a online only game... the devs said you can play it offline since the fist reveal.

Not lying lol... I played the online after the first patch... the second patch just increased the numbers of online slots to over 1 million.

Rational? My comments is not a opinion... it's facts (the patches, GT5 works offline from day one, GT5 damage works from day one, Forza 5 was reveled to works without cloud since ever, etc)... the only opinion part is that I think laughable the "disc-voucher" solution lol