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S.T.A.G.E. said:
timmah said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I never said I knew the details that would've created the fight sequence, but there obviously was a confrontation. If theres any uncorroborated evidence I haven't spoken about it. Theres no point in speaking about what you don't know or accepting testimony that has no facts to prove it unless its coming out of the mouth of a witness, not first party. 

Fact: Dispatch never told him not to follow, but the strongly suggested not to follow. 

Fact: Zimmerman said ok, and it sounded like he quickly stopped running at that point, then continued to get less winded through the call, suggesting he's either stationary or at the very least, not pursuing anybody.

-Of course he stopped running, his breathing was labored and he was still walking in the direction while talking to the cops.

Fact: Zimmerman continued to follow.

Nope, he'd lost Trayvon at this point, you can't follow what you can't see. There's no indication as to what Zimmerman was doing in the call, he was getting less and less winded, so he certainly wasn't pursuing anybody. He could just as easily have been standing on the sidewalk looking around while he talked to the dispatcher.

-He did try to follow what he couldn't see which is why he told the cops to call him when they got there instead of meeting with them.

Fact: Dispatch suggested him meeting a cop out in front (zimmerman suggested by the mailboxes), which again suggests to stop tailing the kid since the cops were on their way. (my guess was because they needed the profile and would need him near when circling the area)

Fact: He can't be tailing somebody whom he doesn't know the whereabouts of.

-Are you kidding me? He lost the kid but he gave chase which is detailed by the wind on the phonecall.

Fact: Zimmerman agreed, and then continued to follow and went back on his word telling  the dispatch just to have the cops call him  since he was so desperate to catch the kid after he disappeared.

Fact: This is your opinion, nothing more. To play Devil's advocate, what if he was heading back to his truck to continue to drive around, and that's why he said 'have them call me'? He'd already lost Martin, so there's no following or 'tailing' possible here, that much is clear.

-This is not my opinion, listen to the tape. Zimmerman told the dispatch to call him when the cop gets there after he lost travyon and the call was coming to a close. His was preoccupied trying to find the kid. He had lost Trayvon and needed to continue his pursuit. If he was adhering to the meeting point he would've made for the mailbox as he detailed to the cop earlier. In that specific sentence I never said he was tailing him. When Zimmerman lost him he couldn't have tailed him so he continued to search. You hear it in zimmermans voice. Pay attention to the emotions.

 



Zimmerman call (w/ timestamps and notes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BI03-MRKnI

He was only about 180 feet from his truck at the time of the incident, so the whole 'pursuit' thing really doesn't hold water against reasonable doubt. Literally everything you posted is 100% pure conjecture. Zimmerman was supposedly in the same general area for most of the call, about 180 feet or so from his truck. It's fuzzy between when he got off the call and when the altercation occured, but there's no hard evidence for the so-called facts you just posted. Trayvon's house was literally just a couple hundred feet away, so he could have EASILY gotten home during the 4 minutes when Zimmerman couldn't see him, and Zimmerman could have easily gotten back to his truck as well. It sounds like both stayed in the area, but only 1 was looking for a fight.



There are two possibilities based on the location of the incident being so close to the truck.

1- Zimmerman had pursued further, and was headed back when confronted

2- Zimmerman had stayed in the same area during and shortly after the call to keep on the lookout for Trayvon before the attack, meaning not much 'pursuit' took place at all.

Either way, Trayvon was most likely the agressor at the time of the incident.