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timmah said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Serious_frusting said:
American laws are so screwed. He should have got locked up. The thought of someone stalking me whilst in possession of a gun is scary. You can get arrested in the UK for following someone. I dont care what colour these people are. Its irrelevant to the case.

The way it sounds to me,

Man follows boy.
Boy dont like it
Man and boy get into fight
Boy is winning?
man kills boy with gun.

Maybe you should have actually followed the story because none of that actually happened. Stalking is illegal. When detective was asked if Zimmerman did anything illegal following Trayvon the response was no. Prosecution threw around stalked all the time because their case was so weak they had to use shit like that. No, following someone as you report it to the authorities is in no way stalking. What really happened was:

Man follows suspicious looking TEENAGER/MAN and calls authorities due to break-ins in the neighborhood recently. If Trayvon can be tried as an adult in the courtroom why was he referred to as a boy in the court room? lol so stupid to call him a boy. More accurate would call him an man being that he is old enough to consent to sexual relationships and be tried as an adult.

Teenager doesn't like it, loses the pursuer and decides to turn around to confront pursuer.
Teenager sucker punches man, gets on top of the man and continues to punch him and slam his head into the pavement
Man defends his life.

But what made him follow this ONE boy out of all people? Why did he get out of the car? What made him confront this boy? And he is only 17 that is still a kid no matter how you try to spin it. A CHILD lost his life because a man ASSUMED he looked suspicious, followed him in his car, got out of his car, CONFRONTED the boy(seeing as he was the one following him then he had to of confronted him first) then they SUPPOSEDLY got into a fight(even though that is hear say as well) the boy was winning and then got shot.

I Agree the justice system worked because the prosecution did a HORRIBLE job and the defense did a muich better job, it is sad because if this man had not followed and confronted this boy he would still be alive today. The case in general though should not have went to the media like it did. And Zimmerman getting charged with NOTHING is just crazy. But that is the way the system works I guess.

Stop calling him a boy, you sound silly.

The media presented him as young, innocent Trayvon...

This is him on the night of the encounter...

A bit bigger and stronger than how he was portrayed, right?

Part of the problem is that the media deliberately portrayed him as a young looking, helpless 'little kid' to facilitate their false narrative, leading to the false perception many have today. Hell, they even called Zimmerman white even though he was hispanic, then went to 'white hispanic' after that... what the hell is a 'white hispanic'?? Now your race is determined not by ethnicity, but by how much of a tan you have? Would I be a 'brown caucasian' when I get a good tan? They just have to throw the word white in there to keep the 'white vs black' narrative, and many have sadly fallen for this race baiting for ratings. Trayvon was a big guy, obviously very capable of inflicting bodily harm on Zimmerman if he wanted to, not some hapless little 15 year old. He also had a history of fighting, otherwise known as a propensity for violence. There are two sides to every story, and if you've been sucking of the media's teat for this one, you've probably gotten some false info.

A little side note, a friend of our family lost her mom several years back, she was beaten to death by a 'boy' (by your definition) about 6'3" (Trayvon was 6'2") who was just a few months older than Trayvon. She 'looked at him wrong' and he beat her senseless. After she went unconsious, he got up and kicked/stomped her until her internal organs were bleeding. he had no rap sheet, but was into the 'thug life'. she died on Christmas eve a couple days after the incident. That 'boy' was tried as an adult and is serving the rest of his life behind bars. Who's to say that Zimmerman wouldn't have been beaten to death had he not defended himself? His statement to police said that Trayvon told him 'You're going to die tonight muthf*****'. Should he have just laid there and let himself be beaten, hoping that he would survive so as not to offend anybody? The lack of any common sense in your 'argument' is just sad. Had the races been reversed, this wouldn't even be in the news, and if it was, the same people who sided with Trayvon would have sided with the dude who shot the white guy in self defense. Race should not be an issue, the evidence should.

  • Zimmerman tried to follow Martin in his car after dialing 911.
  • Zimmerman left his car to follow Martin (not a good idea, but also not illegal)
  • Martin "approached him" and asked, "You got a problem?" Zimmerman said no, and Martin responded, "You do now."
  • Martin punched Zimmerman in the face, Zimmerman fell backwards. Martin jumped on top of him. - TRAVON STARTED THE VIOLENT ENCOUNTER, THIS IS BACKED UP BY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.
  • Zimmerman yelled for help multiple times, but Martin told him to "shut the f*** up." Martin started smashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.
  • Martin went to grab for Zimmerman's now exposed firearm and said, "You're gonna die tonight, mothaf*****."
  • Zimmerman unholstered the gun first and shot Martin.
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    The above sequence of events is what Zimmerman said happend, and what the evidence seems to point to as well. Though it is a tragedy that Trayvon died, this was not murder, or even manslaughter by the law. I would hope that I would be allowed to defend myself if I felt somebody was trying to beat me to death regardless of his skin color... just sayin'.

    I agree with all you said but you still leave the key part were Zimmerman started the whole affair. If someone is following me from their cars then stop and approach me. I will fight, you do realize that people who usually stalk other people are usually thiefs, rapists, murderers, serial killers and so forth. I will make my move before the other person. And if during a fight the man following has a gun then how do I know he was not planning on killing me. It seems like Martin was defending himself or thought that is life was threatened just like Zimmerman. Had Martin survived the gun shot and the story been the same, and less sensationalize by the media do you believe Zimmerman would not serve at least some time. THe law has to discourage confrontations and this ruling tells us otherwise.

    In other news, out of florida. A lady shot a warning shot at her husband because the latter was threatening her, which he testified. She is now spending 20 years in prison. Zimmerman felt threatened and shot a much younger fellow who did not ask to be bothered in the first place, and now he is free. There seems to be some inconsistency when you look at both stories, what does the law say. If you are threatened can you, or can you not use your gun. Why was it allowed in one case and not the other. Why was the person who was confirmed to be in danger the one that wasn't allowed to use the gun for even a warning shot might I had.

    If the law as you put it, was consistent people would not be mad. This is the problem of the Zimmerman case, this is the problem that we are having with it.