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timmah on 15 July 2013
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drunk said:
Slimebeast said:
secpierre34 said:
Slimebeast said:

What do you mean "a fight ensues"? A physical fight magically ensues?

A thug starts to beat an innocent man. Then the man shoots in self defense according to right of law. There's indisputable evidence of that since one man was injured in the face and backhead and the other one was not.


You clearly did not follow the case. Zimmerman approached Trayvon while he was walking back home because he thought Trayvon was "suspicious". Why did he think trayvon was suspicious, was not specified beside a hoodie and his fucking skin color. Then he asked trayvon to stop while the latter tried to avoid. There are tape recordings that go with this story. He then called the police who told him to leave the boy alone, he responded verbatim "THEY always get away". Get away from what, who the fuck is they in this guy's mind. So he follows Trayvon and starts to harass him, I don't know about you but if a stranger is following me, which Trayvon said on his phone according to witness testimony, I will either run or fight them. The court did not rule that he didn't caused the fight. They ruled that he was in danger. And perhaps he was, there are too many unknowns, but what we do know for fact is that Mr. Zimmerman started the confrontation. So he instigated the whole affair and when it turned sour for him he shot the guy

You would fight a stranger if he was just following you?

That's crazy behaviour. No wonder you're taking Trevyon's side in this case then. But the law is not on your side.

plenty of people would fight.  there's a seriously negative connotation with stalking.  muggers do it, rapists, pedophiles, crazed lover, etc.... Zimmerman's  got to be a naive tool to think stalking wouldn't illicit a negative reaction.  maybe women wouldn't try and beat your ass but men would, especially at night.  is it okay to fight your stalker? it depends... but regardless, you antagonize someone enough, then fists will be flying whether you like it or not.  and yes stalking is a form of harassment.  thats why you listen to the cops because they know the outcome of these confrontations.  and why this tool have a gun in public in the first place.  guns give you a sense of invincibility... and make you do dumb things you normally wouldn't do.

antagonize someone into fighting you, then you can shoot him.  one way to avoid murder charges

Nice, so in your world, I could just beat the shit out of (and maybe kill) anybody and just claim they were following me? What if you think they're following you, but you're just going to the same place? Oops. Interesting world you live in. You can't legally beat somebody into the ground just because they're following you, but good luck with that mindset. It'll get you far in life. On the other hand, it's legal to use deadly force if you are being beaten (which Zimmerman was). All the speculation about what led to the confrontation is not evidence, and not something a jury can use to convict. The verdict was correct based on the EVIDENCE. That doesn't make Trayvon's death less of a tragedy, but it is what it is.

By the way, there was no evidence presented, nor any argument made that Zimmerman 'antagonized' Martin. Everybody on your side of the argument keeps doing the same thing, using a ton of speculation, and making nutty statements that don't line up with law or what is actually admissible in a trial, and somehow speculation and arguments based on emotion are the core reason for what you see as a need to convict. So, because your personal opinion is that it's ok to beat somebody up for following you, that means Zimmerman should have been convicted? You either don't understand the legal system and jury instructions, or you don't care to.