timmah said:
enditall727 said:
timmah said:
How do we know that she actually heard Trayvon shouting 'get off' over and over? Is she more credible than the voice experts who could not even determine themselves who was screaming for help? Her testomony doesn't line up with the physical evidence that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, beating his head into the concrete (based on injuries), or the Eyewitness who described Trayvon as being on top, straddling Zimmerman and beating him 'ground and pound, MMA style' while the person on the bottom yelled for help. It's reasonable to speculate that she heard somebody screaming 'get off' and just assumed it was Trayvon. It makes more sense that the person who was getting beaten would call for help or yell 'get off', does it not?
Eliminate race and emotion for a second and answer this. Person A was confirmed to be on top of Person B during an altercation, beating him. Person B had injuries to the face and back of the head, while person A had only bruising to the knuckles.
Who is more likely to be calling for help or saying 'get off', person A (on top, doing the beating), or person B (underneath, being beaten)?
That is called reasonable doubt, which is why the jury could not convict Zimmerman. A jury cannot convict based on speculation. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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She was on the phone with Trayvon and that's what she said. I also stated in that comment that people think she lied about that part
She was ON THE PHONE WITH TRAYVON so she heard "him" say it
You dont know when they fell on the ground so i dont see why you are attempting to argue that lol
Seems like you are implying that its impossible for Trayvon to have said "get off me" when getting grabbed before hitting them making them scream for help so somebody can help hold him down
This comment also seems like an attempt to force your opinion on me
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Still speculation, you want a jury to convict on that? Did she hear Trayvon say 'get off' while he was holding the phone, or had he dropped it and jumped on Zimmerman and she actually heard Zimmerman? Is there any way to prove this beyond doubt based on one person's testomony of a cell phone call? Is it possible for her to determine 100% who's voice she heard when voice experts could not? She's also not an eyewitness, only hearing distorted sound over a phone (yes, a phone distorts sound by definition when it compresses it for digital cellular transmission). I don't think you're understanding what reasonable doubt is, and that there was a ton of reasonable doubt, as well as physical evidence and an eyewitness that Zimmerman was being beaten before he fired. Obviously nobody can say 100% whether she heard Trayvon or Zimmerman, which is, by definition, reasonable doubt.
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Tell me when i said that i wanted the jury to do that.
I said that this was what i thought happened and that we could only go by speculation of who really started the scuffle. She said she heard "TRAYVON" say it and i would believe her because she knows his voice and was talking to him. I would also believe someone who talk and knew personally than voice experts who didn't know Trayvon.
That reasonable doubt on this part seems to be more of you just reaching lol
