twilight_link said:
pauluzzz1981 said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
pauluzzz1981 said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
God? Pfffft, what a ridiculous concept! Satan on the other hand... Now that is something that seems perfectly reasonable and credible!
Even the most hardcore christians I know are perfectly aware that the bible is a rather arbitrary collection of several texts, written by a number of unknown humans, with especially the new testament texts all being written down several decades after Jesus assumed death, usually by people who were not even alive back at the time.
Why is it always atheists constantly creating threads about god, religion etc.? Serious question, I wonder why many of them are so obsessed with something they consider just a kind of fairytale for childs anyway. You rarely see Asantaists or Aeasterbunnyists creating threads speculating about christmas being a Grinch invention... |
not true.
Craig L. Blomberg: The Historical Reliability Of The Gospels
Lee Strobel: The case for Christ
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not true.
Arnold J. Rimmer: The Historical Reliability Of ArnoldRimmer Postings
Dave Lister: The case for my hologram buddy
But seriously: I'm sure you don't seriously believe that I will get out, buy and read two books just because you placed their titles in this thread, without any further explanation. So what was the purpose of that posting? If you think that there is information in these books relevant to the subject, just write it down so everyone can discuss it.
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Great! I wil do that. Need to do some research but i will be back.
First this, more is coming.
Let's compare the New Testament with some other writings of olden days. The New Testament was written over a time period of 60 years. We have over 24,000 copies and some of the copies we have are only 25 years removed from the originals! Caesar's work, The Gallic Wars, was written over a 56 year
period. We have 10 copies, the closest to the original is 1,000 years removed. We have 643 copies of Homer's Iliad and there is a 500 year span between the original and oldest existing copy. So you see, no other work comes close to the New Testament. So why do so many put down the Bible as being inaccurate and untrustworthy?
| Author |
When Written |
Earliest Copy Still in Existence Today |
Time Span Between 1st Written and Oldest Copy |
Number of Ancient Copies in
Existence Today |
| Pliny the Younger |
A.D. 61-113 |
850 A.D. |
750 yrs |
7 |
| Caesar |
100- 44 B.C. |
900 A.D. |
1,000 yrs. |
10 |
| Plato |
427-347 B.C. |
900 A. D. |
1,200 yrs. |
7 |
| Aristolte |
384-322 B.C. |
. 1100 A. D. |
1,400 yrs. |
37 |
Sophocles |
496-406 B.C. |
1000 A.D. |
1,400 yrs. |
193 |
| Euripedes |
480-406 B.C. |
1100 A.D. |
1,500 yrs. |
9 |
Catallus |
54 B.C. |
1550 A.D. |
1,600 yrs. |
3 |
New Testament |
48 A. D. (Mark) |
130 A.D. (N.T.) |
80 yrs. |
24,630 |
I love these sorts of discussions. I am a christian, but i als love science. And not the ''the earth is 6000 years old science'', but archeology and that kind of stuff.
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Lee Strobel is psychopath, your argumentation with ancient sources is absolutely fucked, the truth is in communist countries in 20th century, was hardly single printed copy of Orwell but hundreds of thousand copies of Marxism Leninism.
Your arguments are hardly proof, in other words, your proofs are clear example of one thing, the Christian determination to liquidate anything that didn't fit to their world view.
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...that's more than a little harsh, wouldn't you say?
If his arguments don't hold up, then by all means, show where they're faulty. Saying that he's just determined to hide the truth because you think his argument is faulty is going ridiculously overboard, and amounts to little more than an ad hominem attack instead of any sort of decent counter argument.
If someone's wrong, show them where they are, and help them overcome the error in their thinking. That's the way society's thought processes improve in the first place; people benefit from being shown where they're wrong so long as it's done in a constructive manner. Insulting people convinces absolutely no one and merely hinders your own cause. No one's going to accept an ideal coming from a person who does nothing besides spew insults.
