Cobretti2 said:
BossPuma said:
MDMAlliance said:
BossPuma said:
Nintendo has a marketing problem and they are too stubborn to give 3rd parties what they want, like Sony and Microsoft do.
I love Nintendo games but there is just too much competition for them to carry themselves alone, not to mention that they dropped the ball with about everything regarding the launch of the Wii U.
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Honestly I'm not sure what the bold means. Nintendo does do marketing but I do agree that their marketing efforts are weak in comparison to Sony and Microsoft.
I don't think we know much at all with what Nintendo is doing with/to their 3rd parties, or that their competition really gives that much of what their 3rd parties want. Also, giving too much power to 3rd parties would make it that you no longer are in control of your own console, and I am pretty sure Nintendo doesn't want to give up all the control they have. I do think, though, that they should reach out more to 3rd parties for exclusives (multiplats too, but it's not as important considering the power difference between the PS4/XB1 and Wii U, most will go for the other consoles).
The italics part, I think it's more post-launch than the launch itself. Wii U launched well with a good lineup available at launch, they just didn't follow through.
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I was talking about Nintendo making their system incredibly less powerful than the Ps4 and Xbone, that developers dont even want to bother with the Wii U especially when it wont bring them a huge profit. Nintendo has done it in the past with the Wii which was hardly more powerful than the original Xbox, and the 3ds which is around 50% more powerful than the PsP. And just because those systems are really successful, i have no idea why Nintendo decided to test their luck with 3rd parties again when the stakes are so high.
The Wii U's launch was not as good as it could have been, Rayman and Pikmin 3 were delayed for almost a year.
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Well this is what I think. They did listen to developers mainly EA with their unprecident support and hang holding at E32012. Then origin happened and we all knwo what happened there.
I think EA lead them down the wrong path with the false promise of games.
Saying all that Nintendo should have listened to more than EA and got a broader opinion on what devs wanted. However as many have ases before countless times on these forums would 3rd parties jump onboard? They sure didn't on Gamecube or even Wii for that matter when it was market leader by a huge marging, so what would differ in this scenario?
We have heard many excuses from 3rd parties over the years why they don't develope games for Nintendo consoles like:
1. We can't compete with Nintendo games - a stupid reason cause the games they make don't compete with them as different genres.
2. The hardware is too weak.
3. Nintendo needs to grow the market for us - do they really? 3rd parties is what made Sony and Microsoft grow, so 4rd parties grw their markets.
4. We testing the waters on Wii - yer with crap games that no one asked for and even publically annouced theycrao by gamers.
5. We will develope when Wii U base grows - well PS4 and Xbox One is 0 atm, games sell consoles not console sell games.
6. Nintendo gamers are all talk - partially true as even the good ports that arent too old didn't sell well, but you won't convince them to waste money on watered down ports with missing features and at full retail price against better discounted versions. Not to mention some games that have launched had nice special editions on the other systems with bonus stuff like sound tracks and books but Wii U was jsut a standard game only.
etc..
The problem here is:
Nintendo is stubborn
3rd parties are stubborn
Nintendo gamers are stubborn
Until everyone stops being stubborn, Nintendo consoles will never flurish in an all round way like a sony or micrososft console. They will be destined to be NIntendo game consoles only and the Nintendo fan base is shrinking due to the fact their games have really offered no new experiences.
How can this change? well the best start is the gamers, they need to support games like Watch Dogs, Rayman, Splinter Cell to show that there is a market for 3rd parties. There litrally is no excuses as they will be launching at the same time or infact ahread of some versions.
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