Theory on how the PS4 is stronger AND cheaper.

[Eddie_Raja]

NightDragon83 said:

tres said:

Xenostar said:
So by removing a $60 peripheral they saved $100, Ms should remove there £100 kinect 2, theyd save $180!

Made up logic for the win.

the eye is not worth 100 but kinect 2 definitely might be your joking 180.  the first kinect had a 640x480 cam, no processor, etc...  kinect 2 is a 1080p hd cam w/processor, active ir and more.  thats a big difference.  kinect is still on the market for $79-99  so sans kinect microsoft could drop xbox one to 329-349 range. but the problem is if they dont include it the install base will pretty much be shit considering how bad the 1st one attach rate was

Actually Kinect did pretty well considering the fact that it's an optional peripheral and was released more than halfway into the 360's lifespan.  There aren't too many hardware peripherals in gaming history that can boast the install base / attach rate that the Kinect has enjoyed... it basically gave the 360 a new lease on life for the past few years, allowing it to capture a good chunk of the market that was abandoned by Nintendo once they pulled the plug on the Wii.

The thing that pisses me off though is not only is Kinect 2.0 alot more expensive (and pretty much the only reason why the X1 i $499), but ever since the negative feedback M$ received from the initial X1 reveal focusing too much on Kinect and the TV features, there has been ZERO Kinect-only games demonstrated to show us just how much better the new Kinect is for gaming.  Everything show so far has been optional voice commands or motion controls in games like Forza 5 and Ryse.

So in essence, M$'s mandatory peripheral for the X1 that we are forced to spend an extra $100 for is nothing more than a glorified dashboard, web and app navigator not unlike the standard features that just about every "smart" TV comes equipped with these days.  When you consider the fact that w/out Kinect 2.0, M$ could have potentially released an Xbone core unit for just $350 and undercut Sony again, the same way they released the 360 "core" / "arcade" unit for just $299, which was huge once the PS3's two bundles were revealed to be $200 more than their equivalent 360 bundles.

Exactly!  That is why I think they double screwed themselves with the initial announcement:

-If they show off Kinect again people will light torches and raise pitch-forks.

VS.

-If they don't show kinect the value argument falls on deaf ears because they haven't shown us why Kinect benifits us.