pezus said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
pezus said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
I hate online fees and I hate that Sony is implementing them. And they can give any reason why they are doing it... they are doing it because they can. I'm just saying it makes sense, because consumers are willing to accept it. Sony reveals a $599 PS3 at launch and people freak and buy 360's and Wii's. Sony reveals a $399 PS4 with a $50 annual fee (so $799 @ launch?) and people cheer. I'm saying the subscription model works because people are dumb. And since it works, it's wise to do. Nintendo could have launched a $249 Deluxe with more gigs of RAM, more cores and more flops and still made money if they added annual fees for online. Throw in a free download of old games people already have on Virtual Console and people would even try to say it's worth the money. Bam, gen won, and no one could bitch because every console would now be charging to play the games you buy.
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So people were dumb for paying for Plus up until now? Do you even know how much content you get with it? For a measly $50
No, Nintendo could not have done that. There's no guarantee that they'd get enough subscribers or that the subscribers would keep subscribing long enough, especially since their online service is so far behind the others. Sony won't be losing much money at all on the $399 PS4. PS4 price isn't too low, it's just WiiU's that is way too high. I don't know what they include in those tablets, but they need to find a way to make them cheaper.
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What is the weakness of Wii U's online vs PSN? I know how much content you get, I'm saying it's not of much value. Most people don't play a lot of games, and those that do buy the games upon release and have little need for them when they become free. That's why Sony can do it, it's costing them very few lost sales. Wii U: click button, play COD match. PSN: Click button, play COD match.
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I should've said 'especially since their online service has historically been far behind the others', the subscribers would be hard to get (at first at least). Its main weakness now is the low population in most online games, even CoD (would be nice to see how many are still playing that now on average) and just the low interest in the usual popular online games in general. The cloud is another area where Nintendo will lag behind soon enough. Nintendo charging for online play would look bad when One and PS4 will be charging too with many more features included (like free games, discounts, betas, the cloud).
They will change their way of buying when they see what Plus offers, as I did. And of course Plus has ridiculous value. The first millions of PS4 owners will be mostly hardcore gamers, as you said, who usually buy quite a bit more than 10 games per system. Because PS4 will be brand new, the games you will be getting will also be brand new to a few months old. There are also plenty of gamers that don't buy games at release. Heck, probably way more than half of them don't buy the game at release. Some simply aren't willing to pay for a game, but still would want to play it. Plus allows them to do that.
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