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Imaginedvl on 02 July 2013
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theprof00 said:
Imaginedvl said:

Seriously ?

1 .First of all, it is not because you can do all of this with other devices that nobody is interested into having an all-in-one device, and this is what Microsoft is envisioning... Your statement (bold) is just rootless and this is the reflect of your own opinion; stop generalizing...

2. As far as the pre-orders; the people pre-order are mainly GAMERS, and guess what; this is not the market I was describing... The Xbox One is going to attract more people in the long term. Also pre-orders were "obviously" biased with that DRM failure from Microsoft, nothing to do again with what I'm talking about.

3. And Kinect on the 360? really, This is the best you can do? Guess what you can play games on a PS3 or an Xbox 360; why bother to upgrade then?...

4. Now stop acting like all Xbox fans or people believing in Microsoft's vision are all wrong. The truth is that you have no clue either and other than this DRM fiasco we yet have to see what the future has in store :)

1. The consumers have spoken. And xb1 forces too many different products into one package that people don't need. Like, it would be if I got a phone that was extra expensive because it was also a military gps device. I don't give a fuck about that. KEY WORDS incoming: "google.maps.is.good.enough.for.me". Learn the bolded underlined italicized, because that is how the casual makes purchases.

2. No, the market you were describing is the casual market, and I told you that casuals don't care about all-in-one products for 500$. Look at ps3! Look how it fared against the wii! Look how much loss Sony had to take to stay competitive! And Sony was the cheapest BluRay player on the market! What does xbox have that is cheapest on the market? Literally nothing. It is the most expensive everything on the market. FACT.

OK so the casuals haven't shown up yet. Fair enough. But wait, the current USA pre-orders show ps4 in the lead. Yet, xbox360 has more installed in USA than PS3. Wait, how can that be that the brand with more audience in the US have less sales? How can it possibly be that the GAMERS (according to you, the only people who have pre-ordered) have chosen ps4? Man, and the casuals aren't even helping a little bit, because if we imagine that even a third of the purchasers of xb1 are casuals, that is going to pose an exceptionally dire outlook for GAMERS interested in an xbox. Preorders WERE biased from DRM. Preorders were like 11-2 in favor of ps4. Now afterwards, weekly preorders are more like 5-3. Preorders are STILL weighted toward ps4.

3. Slow your roll. People upgrade to a ps4 because they want the better graphics and games. They are the core and hardcore market. It is a normal progression for that market to continue upgrading. The core and hardcore are blatantly not interested in Kinect. They will be forced to upgrade. The people who are Really interested in kinect (the casuals) already have it, and new kinect does not introduce anything meaningfuly new that can convince casuals to spend 500$+ to upgrade. You talk about the wii market...the wii market didn't even see fit to upgrade to wiiU. How you gunna argue that casuals will spend nearly double the amount of money to upgrade kinect. Ridiculous.

4. I do. I do have a clue. Clues all around. Getting ragged on by virtually every major outlet. Edge. Financial Times. Time. Fox. Gamestop. Gamepots, Gamespot, Gametops, GamePTOS...the list goes on. Casuals don't even know it can play used now! The worst thing to do is confuse the casuals. Why? Because they don't pay enough attention!
More clues: Preorders are getting slaughtered by the ps4.
Clue: PS4 has INCREASED it's projections and shipment by 20%. It's prediction is already way above xb1. It's like 13m vs 8m.
Clue: XB1 FUNCTIONS WON'T EVEN WORK IN EUROPE. So much for that all-in-one product being so useful to everyone. Just another example of people seeing something unnecessary. When you over-generalize, you end up just giving people reasons NOT to buy.
Clue: XB1 isn't even releasing in rest of world until late 2014, and many countries even longer!
Clue: Only 21 countries will actually work with xb1, and your account is IP TIED, meaning importing won't even work!
Clue: XB1 is over 100$ more expensive than ps4 considering online purchase as well.
Clue: It is DANGEROUSLY close to the e3 2006 599 US DORRAS fiasco. It's 560$ plus tax. That's not even with a game.
Clue: It's biggest games are all on PC.
Clue: It competes with much cheaper products, including the WiiU which has its own tv functions, aptly named TVii.
Clue: XBOX currently has no CEO
Clue: It's a camera in a USA political environment where SPYING is the current year's hellfire!
Clue: Germany has already declared kinect a surveillance device
Clue: Legislation is currently being written that would make ANY camera device that sends information to a company require several conceits including:
-a message legible from a distance, by the product, saying in big letters "You are being watched"
-a secondary indentical product that doesn't use the camera at all
-an agreement to let a user completely opt out of surveillance

Your face when this is MS' current entire strategy.
It's over man.

What MS needs to do is compeltely halt production, put the console back in the oven for another year, work out a new strategy, and do it correctly. Sorry for so much negativity, but there you have it. This console is a train wreck, and you will see soon enough.

Seriously dude... You need to take a break from the internet... Do not textwall post like this just because you want to hammer you point....

I got it, I disagree with it but I got it. And stop posting "clues" like people are too dumb to understand what you are saying just because they do not agree with your oppinion...

All of the things you posted are irrelevant to my point of Microsoft having a vision (not the most easier one to fight for, but still a vision) and the fact that I (or other "Xbox fans" like you call them) believe it may work in a long term.

Be respectfull please :)

And if you reply again, just keep in mind that we understand your point (understand != agreeing with it)...