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Calmador said:

I keep hearing people use the terrible quote of "Those who are willing to give up liberty for security deserve neither." Whoever said that was stupid and yes I know its one of our founding fathers. The truth of the matter is that in any community we do give up liberty for security. When you walk down a sidewalk instead of freelying running around on the roads... you sir or maam are giving up liberty for security. When you obey the traffic light system where you go when you see a green light or stop when you see a red light. You are giving up your liberty for security. When Americans use dog leashes on their children... you sir or maam are giving up liberty for security. lol

Quotes and sayings can sound nice but they can also be retarded in a logical sense.

I'll tell you what the most fundamental and true problem we have... its not privacy or security. The problem is morality and accountability. Can YOU trust your fellow Americans to handle your private information? We have banks, tellers, government officials, friends and family members who know who you are... can we trust each other? The bottom line and core problem is morality. Our individual character is what should be our #1 concern and then you won't be so worried about the man or woman next to you. You won't be so concerned with how little or how powerful government is... (I'm for small/weak government btw) We'll be more like a family. The lower,middle and higher class will be happier, richer, and live in lower crime rates because of this harmony.

I think the cause to all this is good character and morality. And that all starts with GOD. It all starts with accepting JESUS CHRIST as your Lord and Savoir.


I agree completely. Pithy quotes do not make a sound argument. Also, almost every law and regulation is a tradeoff between freedom and security on some level.

So the important question is, are you getting a good deal for the freedom you're sacrificing?

So what if I told you that this man was going to follow you around for your own protection. He's going to watch every move you make, and he's going to keep a log of your all your activities in case we need to look them up later. In return, he's going to protect you from ever being struck by lightning. You'll still be vulnerable to car crashes, cancer, falling down stairs, being accidentally shot, and brain amoebas, but lightning will never harm you.

Good deal?



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