Capital Punishment

[the2real4mafol]

Calmador said:
1. The executioner isn't murdering or "killing" as you put it. The executioner is doing justice. Please keep reading as this next example will surely make sense if your still not understanding it...

Example

Remember the terms

Bob murders Tim because he wanted to steal Tim's money.

Bob has clearly taken 1 life for evil reasons. He is a murderer.

Bob gets caught and is ready to be executed as the evidence and legal system (ideally) has shown him guilty.

Taking an "eye for an eye" into account... Bob has murdered and is in debt of 1 life.

The executioner takes away Bob's life because this is what Justice demands. (Bob owes 1 life because of the concept of Justice, "An eye for an eye") The executioner (ideally) has no evil intentions. So he or she is executing, not murdering.

Keep in mind Bob owes one life.

Bob gets executed.

"An eye for an eye" has been fullfilled. Justice has been served.

Its actually very simple but people confuse what killing means with actual moral killing which is called execution. (also, I think its fine to kill or I suppose you can call it executing if your defending yourself from life threatening situations.. like from a murderer named Bob) So, you see the executioner was not murdering... he was giving Bob what he deserved.

2. I'd also like to comment on what you said... about people getting killed by mistake. I'll copy and paste what I said earlier to someone else....

"That's sad.

I think that problem is the legal system processing who is to be executed and who is not to be executed. Capital Punishment is not "something" to blame for mistakes like that. Capital Punishment isn't really a "something" at all. lol Its a concept, an idea... a tool.

Captial Punishment is a tool. And it is a tool in the hands of the legal system.

While the legal system will never be perfect because of human error... the goal should be perfection.

Anyways, I don't know a lot about the legal system but I would blame lawyers to definetly have a piece of the blame for that. I can't help but think that they can be serious key players in practicing justice by exposing tue criminals instead of defending them when the have the chance."

So, you see Capital Punishment is not to be "blamed" for mistakes the legal system makes... its the legal system's fault. I think the UK made a mistake in taking away Captial Punishment if that's the reasoning for the UK people's decision to get rid of Captial Punishment.

3.When you bring in money into this topic... I think that's very low of you or anyone to bring in money. This has to do with something higher than money. This is justice. And doing what is correct is much more important than money and what is a "humane" way to execute someone? There is no such thing as a "humane" way of doing things.

4.Who defines "humane?" Considering the wording of that word, the "humane" way of doing something is whatever humans do. I can't help but think that concept literally came out of nowhere... and people out there use it. Its strange.

I think what you really looking for is... what is the correct way to execute someone. And for myself, God defines the correct way. And I think God would want us first to look inside ourselves. What are our intentions? So, executing someone should be done for completing justice... not the enjoyment of death. It should be done that kind of mind set. With the mind-set of doing what is correc which is to bring justice, to punish evil acts.

I'll leave it at that. I know I went into I guess "agueing" mode but I won't reply in this line of conversation to you anymore. I'm trying to avoid arguing in this thread.

I know it is your opinion but i don't agree with that mentality. Also, wouldn't you go to hell for killing someone (i presume you are Christian). 

1. You say the executioner isn't murdering the murder but they are doing the exact same action as a murderer. Killing. It's just if the executioner or even a soldier did the killing, it is somehow accepted by the law as right when it is still morally unjustified regardless in any circumstances. I know the executioner has no real evil intentions but seriously why would anyone in their right mind want to kill another person? In some ways, the state could be seen to enacting revenge

2. It doesn't matter if the death penalty remained, innocents will always be killed. It's just a fact of the matter, as humans don't know perfection. Also, you said in your first point that "justice would be served" but would it if you killed the wrong person? Also, something else to  consider is the fairness of the law system. In some countries, there is no consideration for human rights (you can't even speak out against the state in some countries) and the state has total control. There needs to a line somewhere and that's persuming the law is fair like it seems to be in the west. I think if anything, the UK got to a point where it's government didn't want to end people's lives anymore. It's not good to kill people if there is not a good enough reason for it

3. You may say that but why would spend a lot of money on something that will return nothing to the economy. Why spend so much on executing someone when that money can be used on education, healthcare or just the economic development of a country? The amount of crime is linked to the state of the economy and quality of people's lives, which is why you will find that the poor commit far more crimes as they are hit more by the economy. 

4. By "humane", i mean kill them in a way that is the least painful to them. Stuff like lethal injection and hanging if it's done right so it instantly kills them are what i would consider "humane". But if look at the history there are 100's of methods of capital punishment which are just horrible. Stuff like stoning and "hung, draw and quartered" are cheap to achieve but are sadistic ways to kill someone in the name of justice. Here are some others, some still used today ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_capital_punishment. Also, who and where is this god? Sorry, i don't believe in it. It all seems made up to me. 

Overall, i don't agree with you as you can tell but i respect your opinion. I welcome debate