Superman Vs. Vegetto

[Kasz216]

ShinmenTakezo said:

Kasz216 said:

ShinmenTakezo said:

 

A)If Wolverine can take on the Hulk, I think he can take on pretty much anyone. That is official cannon that he can go toe to toe with the hulk, and sometimes best him. Wolverine is very underrated compared to the feats he has acomplished.

B)You obviusly don't read the comics because Superman bruises, bleeds and breaks also. As long as you are strong enough, or posess magic, you can damage supes. Just like DBZ characters, you have to exert enough force to damage them, otherwise they are invulerable, just like supes. Like I stated before, Superman's abilities vary from writer to writer. Sometimes he can do the things you describe, sometimes he can't. It all depends on the current writers whim. Not your personal opinion. As you have stated earlier the DC universe isn't based in reality so saying because a black whole has infinite density (which I don't believe true, but I'm no scientist) is moot by your own standards. When you start writhing Superman comics, then you can start telling people Superman's powers and differences between all of the iterations. Until then it is speculation. Think about that for a second.

A) When has he ever won against the hulk?  He's hung with the hulk often in fights, due to his regeneration... butthe Hulk pretty much just stomps him.

In reality though, wolverine would get his shit handed to him by Spiderman.

B) He's had low end showings.  That happens in comic books.  Hell that happens in Dragonball Z.  Remember when krillin hits a sleeping Goku with a rock and goku freaks out like someone had just broken his leg.  In general, you go by what's more consinstantly shown.  Is Super Saiyan Goku really so weak that a rock will hurt him?

 

B2) Any scientist will tell you the center of a blackhole = infintie density.  Infinite Gravity too...

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/010912a.html

makes 400X earth's gravity look downright silly.

Wolverine has fought the Hulk on many occasions, and Hulk doesn't destroy him. Wolverine has beat the hulk. If you take the feats Wolverine has accomplished, he could beat spidey........... in reality.....LOL. We're talking about fictional characters, with nonexistent abilities, in a made up universe that has its own set of rules seperate from ours, there is no "in reality," it is all just speculation and opinion. Wolverine has to be around Luke Cage's strength level (imo), but is portrayed as having barely above human level strength.

If you want to go by what is generally shown power wise, then you just proved yourself wrong. DBZ characters are consistently portrayed as invulnerable against anything not at their power level. Even physical things like guns augment power levels in the DBZ universe.

You contradict yourself with trying to compare real science with DC universe science when you yourself said real world science is irrelevant in a discussion on DC universe science. I'm refering to your speed force argument.

This is just a question, but wouldn't it be theoretically impossible to have a black hole with infinite gravity? I heard that a back hole can only consume a certain amount of matter and its based on its own mass, I think. I was watching something on Discovery about black holes. If a black hole had infinite gravity, then wouldn't the whole universe colapse into it? There are different size black holes with different feeding cycles. Hell, there is a black hole at the center of every galaxy. Wouldn't we all be sucked into the black holes if they had infinite gravity? Wouldn't they all be the same size and mass since all black holes have infinite gravity?

1) Actually yes.  Hulk does destroy Wolverine.  Have you ever even read those comics?  Hulk pretty much smacks wolverine way with attacks that would kill people.  Wolverine like slashes him once or twice, Hulk heals, then hulk keeps beating him down.

He has never beaten Hulk in 616 continutiy.  Maybe in the Ultiamte universe or something.  (Though i thought ultimate wolverine got ripped in half by hulk.)

Wolverine has always been wildly outclassed by the hulk and only puts up the showings he does because... Hulk is stupid/writers forget wolverine can be knocked out.

He couldn't even beat Mr. Fixit hulk.  Who was the weakest hulk.  (Hulk unlike superman had actual well defined different versions.)

Wolverine definitly does not have Luke Cage strength.

http://hulkcollection.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/hulk-vs-wolverine-through-the-years/

Seems to list them all, and their isn't a single Wolverine victory.  The best showing he seems to have is juking enough to where he barely gets hit before the figh breaks out.  (Though Wolverine has no way to actually put the hulk down.)

 

2) Except rocks apparently... and realy... any objects.  Characters with higher powerlevels shrug off KI attacks from weaker opponents.  They rarely if ever shrug off physical attacks from weaker characters.   Goku with Jace is an example, but in general, weaker characters always get off a few physical attacks that noticeably hurt the opponent.  Not much because they're stronger, but it hurts more then their energy blasts, despite the fact that they are REALLY weak physically in comparison.

For example, Goku in SSJ4 struggling with a building.  Not exactly planet busting level strength.  Let alone moon busting strength.