Superman Vs. Vegetto

[Kasz216]

ShinmenTakezo said:

Kasz216 said:

ShinmenTakezo said:

Kasz216 said:

Eh. What people don't get about the Dragonball Z Universe is that their physical stats greatly lag behind their Ki output stats.

Master Roshi can planet bust a moon... while his physical stats are WELL below your average character with super strength. Yet his punches deal about the same level damage to an opponent as his energy attacks.

Ki attacks either are largely ineffective on people, or martial artists in the dragon ball Z Universe develop some level of innate ki resistance from their training.


Physically Superman just outclasses him too much... and also, honestly probably outclasses him in energy projection. (though not by nearly as much.)


Superman has never destroyed a planet... but he's Superman. Why would he.  (He has destroyed a moon through in a manner like friexa, but just through pure strength.

It's worth noting that his heat vision is hotter then the sun which has been shown as something that can kill DBZ characters with ease, and he's used this heat vision before to move planets.... while under a red sun (which HUGELY weakens his powers), he's covered an entire planet in heat vision and can burrow through earth far faster then Freeza's core detroying energy blasts can. (Who is well well below Vegito, but it's just pointing out how Frieza's planet busting feats aren't in the least impressive vs superman.)  His heat vision is generally considered stronger then his fists.  (It's also a burning/drilling type energy, not explosive like DBZ.)

 

 

I'm no great fan of superman, but he should take a battle vs any DBZ character pretty handily.  The only chance Vegito would have is Superman's innate "carefulness/stupidity" in combat.

He tries to fight to his opponents level to avoid hurting them, so if he H2H's vs Vegito for a while and ends up unharmed and assusming Vegito is completely weak, he might be stupid enough to take a planet busting blast head on without dodging.  Of course Vegito isn't known for his smart fighting either.  Seemingly combining the worst aspects of both characters.  The Arrogance of Vegeta with the Playfullness of Goku.

If we're talking each character wants to take the other down/kill each other/doesn't hold back.

Superman is just too fast, two strong and his heat vision is something Vegito just can't stand up against.

Or he could just fly goku into space if they fight in an uninhabited universe.  Superman can hold his breath and there would be noone Vegito coud Instant Transmission to.

Of course a full powered superman would be a boring fight/character, since he'd just lobotomize all of his enemies from orbit.  Like Justice Lords superman.

 

Dragonball Z Characters are a lot  like Wolverine, in that their power is greatly overrated.  It's just worse because unlike Wolverine, DBZ characters have high levels of power.

Just not Superman/Silver Surfer levels of power.

The DBZ characters durability increases with their power level. It has been displayed time and time again. The original dragon ball, where the characters powers were just past elite martial artists, goku took an axe to the head and the axe broke. When a character is more powerful than another, the stronger character shrugs off and absorbs all physical attacks. Attacks strong enough to reduce mountains to rubble.

Superman's power and durability have fluctuated greatly throughout time. The thing is no matter how strong the opponent, he is portrayed as a physical match usually.

I also strongly dissagree that Wolverine's power is overrated. I think it is greatly underrated, but that is a discusion for another thread.

A) I've seen people argue Wolverine would beat Darth Vader in a fight.

B) Superman's Powerlevel fluctatues with his opponent because Superman is always holding back.

C)  DBZ Physical attacks weren't ever really shown to be all that powerful.  They're no stronger then what any average Class 100 Marvel brawler can do.

A) I've heard people argue about plenty of fights between various characters. That doesn't mean the character's power is over or underrated.

B) Where in the comics does it say he is always holding back? The writers of the comic at any given time decide supes power level, that is why it fluctuates. Just like every other comic character in creation that has been portrayed by multiple writers.

C)DBZ character's physical attacks, as well as their durability are augmented by their ki. I don't know what manga you have read, or anime you have watched, but every characters physical abilities is directly related to their ki. They regularly destroy the lanscape around them before launching any type of energy attack. They get flung through mountains and survive. Nappa ripped through planes and ships as if it was nothing. That was way before their fights endangered the planets they took place on. They can survive in 400 x earths gravity + while training. I would say they are pretty freakin durable.

A)  Sure it does?  Darth Vader is so ridiculiously over Wolverine it isn't even funny.  In general people wolverine can punch a lot higher out of his league then he really can.

B)  EVERYWHERE, that's pretty much his entire gimic.  That he lives ina  world made of stereofome.  

C) 400X Earths gravity is really nothing when talking about Herald level Superheros.  Again,  if dragonball Z characters had Superman level durability they'd never be hurt by each other, as there physical attacks really don't do any more noticeable damage then say.... Colossus from the X-men.

Superman has survived black holes.  Hell he's held black holes in his hand.

The center of a Black hole has INFINITE density.   Think about that for a second.  It's not that Dragonball Z characters are weak.  It's that your amazingly underestimating just how strong superman is.

The difference between Crisis and Pre-Crisis Superman isn't as big as most people think.