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OneHappyGamer:) said:
Kasz216 said:


Well I wouldn't say Superman is to fast. you may not be going by my assumptions of Vegetto's power, but according to it, Vegetto is roughly 200x faster then superman. he's also a little more then 2x as durable, not counting Ki amplification. Vegetto being able to withstand 25 Octillion MT of force, makes him easily able to withstand a Supernova, let alone the heat of Supermans heat ray vision, because if its even comparable to the Heat of the centre of the sun which is about a 6000th of the heat from a supernova, then I don't see how it can damage Vegetto to much. and this is without Vegetto using Kiao ken which he should know how to do.

again, this is based off of my assumptions of Vegetto's power, but I think they are very accurate.

The problem is, the examples are overexagerrated.  Deathbattle was more or using a popular tactic in debating to show just how one sided a battle is by using Dragonball best case scenarios against average superman becnchmarks.  

For example, Superman's heat vision has actually been stated multiple times to be hotter then can be measured, and as the hottest thing in the universe.  So if we're using the "best showings" for each character post crisis superman... it's not really a contest.

I of course talk of post crisis, because pre crisis superman....

He destorys solar systems with a Sneeze!

 

Like i mentioned before, their Ki generation and Ki resistance lead to an exagerration of their durability.  It would be like if you measured the Human Torch's durability by his ability to take fire blasts.

 

To further illustrate this lets look at your estimaed Vegitto's numbers . 

 

Strength: 121.6 Million Tons

Durability: 26.37 Octillion MT


The problem here becomes readily apparent once you define Octillion.  How much is an Octillion?   It's 10 to the 27th power.  A Million is 10 to the 6th power.   

Which is best if we spell this out visually

121,600,000 in strength 

vs

26,370,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 in durability.

 

Using deathbattle numbers as a base, Vegitto and his clone could pound on each other every day for infinity and neither one is going to ever feel it.

You'd have better luck trying to knock someone out by throwing a crumpled up piece of notebook paper then Vegito could have an punching himself out.  Sure he can ki amp his strength, but that also ki amps his durabiliy.  

Beides which, even if it only effected strength.  Kaioken times 20 would only be 2,420 MT.  (If you could even use Kaioken while Super Saiyan.  I don't think Goku ever does.)

 

 Two nearly even characters in DBZ (or hell, even ones with fairly wide gaps) should never be able to hurt each other if these numbers were to hold true.

Hell, there's no way Vegitto could even hurt Goku and his base deathbattle powerlevels.  

In otherwords, the durability numbers are crap using best case scenarios based on thef act that Dragonball Z characters have inbuilt Ki Resistance.  Melee combat seems more or slighty weaker in a fight vs near equals, and stronger when weaker characters attack stronger characters.

Why?  As your powerlevel increases so does your resistance to energy attacks in addition to your base energy attacks.

 

That's why someone like Gohan can hurt Recoome with a physical attack, but the Ki Generation attacks like the Masenko don't even leave a scratch. Despite his Ki genertion being way stronger. 

That's aslo the trick behind Krillin's Destructo Disc.  Characters like Nappa think it's just a worthless energy attack from a weak character like Krillin but in reality it takes on physical charactertics and cuts like a physical attack, meaning it can deal far more damage against an opponent then an equivlenet levle Ki blast attack would.  It can badly hurt and even kill opponents WAY out of his power range... even Freiza!  

 

It also explains why Frieza suddenly breaks out his own Kenzan like attack when Goku suddenly overpowers him.  It's the one attack that he knows can kill goku.

 

In reality, goku and in turn, Vegitto's durability aren't much higher then their strength levels.

 

Edit: This thread actually has a decent amount of Supes feats, and was made for a really similar reason. (Compairng how he outclasses goku.)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t371890.html