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Brutalyst said:
Aldro said:
Joel lies because it's a test in some ways.

Ellie knows he's not being honest. Why else would she even say "Swear to me that everything you said about the fireflies is true!".

"I swear".

She's afraid of being alone and having Joel swear to her is his way of saying that he isn't going anywhere. She knows it deep down inside and that is why she at the end is okay with it. "Okay".

Also regarding Sales saying Joel was stupid for not figuring it out => During gameplay Joel says they're probably just gonna take a blood test or something. The guy isn't exactly a scientist or a brainiac for that matter. One truly misses a lot by just watching the cutscenes.

I never thought of it that way, and good point and I like the idealistic view.

 

Also Joel knows enough to know that the infection is on the brain, so when Madeline says they will reverse engineer it he knows Ellie will die

Marlene*, yeah.

 

I honestly thought it was a very touchy and satisfying + to me personally: a happy ending.

But I love how many see it as a dark one or bitter sweet. That's what makes it so remarkable. I am able to be happy while others can discuss all day over this :P. It's cool to see different interpretations but I feel ND hit every right note on me feeling what Joel felt hence why I nearly feel convinced that I am "right" and you guys are "wrong" as stupid as that sounds. (I dont really believe there is any right and wrong haha). Its awesome!!