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superchunk said:
disolitude said:

Fair enough....don't wanna argue about this as we clearly have a different point of view and different sides to our story.

But for the record, you can't do it on Xbox without your Gamer ID on a second console.  If my friend wants to play on his console, he has to use my gamer ID.

On PS3 you can share 2 consoles at a time, again using your gamer ID to install and then play with his. Not very convenient if you ask me. 

Not as convienant, sure, but doable. Just can't share with total strangers. lol but I can't even do that on my Wii U (yet).

Yeah there is a reason WiiU rarely gets mentioned in these conversations these days.

But I don't know...I am still struggling to see why this retail "choice" is better.

1. There was a fear that the games you own will dissapear when Microsoft decides to shut down the servers in 10 years - we know now that this wouldn't be true as a "no DRM" patch is being delivered digitally day 1. They could easily apply this if they are shutting down the service.

2. I'm sure you would agree that a digital game has advantages over a physical copy. Only downside is price and reselling. I think the trading method proposed by Microsoft was far superior to physical trading of disks. Well one thing to consider is that Microsoft was going to allow retail based pricing and sales for games that are digital is remarkable. Retail outlets like Best Buy have sales and will discount games like they do now. Xbox One was not going to make a difference between retail and digital bought games in terms of features yet allow me to buy games on clearance at the store or on Xbox One. If there is a sale at Best Buy, I buy there. If there is a sale on Xbox Live, I buy there. 

So again, this freedom thing you bring up seems a lot more limiting now.

Do disk based games sync their setting and saves in the cloud?

When I go to my friends place with a disk based copy of Halo 5, does his console know what my controller settings are?

Do I still have to use my USB dongle to transfer my profile? I mean, I may have been offline and I played a disk based game at a friends place...now when I go online Xbox Live doesn't have my achievements if I don't transfer them with USB dongle.

 

Edit - It gets worse and worse the more information we get.  

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-drm-marc-whitten/

"Another such piece of functionality the console's losing: digitally accessible versions of disc-based games. "You're gonna see your online content but you won't see your physical discs,"

Essentially I will never buy a disk based game because I don't want to fragment my library of games therefore I have to stick to Xbox Live pricing and can't get games that are on sale or clearence at best buy. What you call freedom, to me now is much worse.