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Kasz216 on 08 June 2013
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BenVTrigger said:

Somewhat off topic here but since you mention Lincoln,

He actually was ourt greatest President. When you look at that man and see the unbelievable hardships he endured and the rediculously hard decisions he had to make in his term, hes unmatched in US history.

One of the very few examples where the hype around the man is actually justified. He was perhaps the only president who truly put what was best for the people over what was best for him. To the point he knew it would kill him. He told those close to him he expected to be killed.


...ehhhhh.

I'd take Teddy Roosevelt over him any day.

Though i am someone who weights negative actions far greater then positive ones.  A murder being far worse then saving someones life for example.  It's the same reason why Andrew Jackson ranks near the bottom of my list.  Jacksonian democracy and the rest be damned.

 

Lincoln may have had the greatest challenges of any President, but he did a lot of henious stuff in winning the war... and gets too much credit because the things he did do, led to great things, even if they weren't his original intention.  (The end of slavery being the big one.)

I mean for example, he abolished Habeus Corpus in areas he thought my rebel.  Which was illegal. (only being allowed after they rebel, and by act of congress) and then when people critisized him, he abolished it everywhere and arrested all politicians who disagreed with him.

The supreme court overuled him....

and he completely ignored the supreme court.

 

He allocated money without consulting congress, he created the draft specifically so the rich wouldn't have to go to war, shut down any press who disagreed with him....

 

All the major war presidents have a much darker closet than history presents to the person who doesn't dig deeper.