For those with your head in the sand (PS4 DRM)

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papamudd said:
@starcraft: However what we can quite readily infer from both companies is that their DRM systems will be damn near identical.
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We are inferring 2 very different things from the facts. While both have said the DRM is being left up to 3rd parties, MS has actually revealed how it will work on the X1. Alternatively, Sony has shown no indication of having a set up similar at all in regards to how DRM would work on the PS4. Now Sony could quite likely have set up a system (and that system could be very different) that would effectively be the same, but the evidence thus far does not support that such a system even exists on the PS4. Reportedly, there was a patent/copyright Sony was working on for basically watermarking blu ray discs, but have said that they won't be using that on the PS4, and for all we know could be for movies. Therefore we can infer that if Sony was in fact previously planning on using that type of system it would be vastly different in implementation, but effectively the same result.

So we have MS saying that DRM is up to the 3rd party games, yet they set up the system for them to enforce any DRM they might want easily and effectively.
Then we have Sony saying if a 3rd party wants to enforce DRM that's up to them to figure out how to do so.

That is the big key difference between the two in regards to DRM. X1 is already doing it, and PS4 is not (as far as we know and has been stated publicly)

So 3rd party games on X1 only need to figure out how much to charge, but for ps4 they need to figure out how to enforce such a system and charge for it.

You're drawing a falacious distinction.  Again, third parties have already figured out how to enforce such systems, and already charge for them on the current generation's consoles.  By my definition, both these companies have already made DRM possible on their current systems, and will both do so again in the new generation, as they have each stated.

However, presupposing that you're correct, and that for some silly reason Sony refuses to engage with third party publishers in any way on making DRM and trade-in systems function, do you honestly suppose that any major game released by a third party with trade-in DRM for the X1 will not have the same trade-in DRM for the PS4?