MDMAlliance said:
Soleron said:
Also, it's just not much of a threat. This is a misstatement. Acts of terrorism are identified for the way they are carried out and those that they target. "Not much of a threat" is completely a lie otherwise it wouldn't be considered "terrorist."
Car accidents, cancer, and 10896 other things harm more people every day. Aging results in more deaths than many things as well. The argument you're making is based on a fallacy. I am not saying fallacy arguments are wrong, but you can't use one if you want to prove a point. If people just ignored it not possible due to the nature of the attacks, treated it like the stats of people killed by falling coconuts, it would all be fine. But the public, media and government each work to blow it up into a big external threat of war each for their own agenda or just out of ignorance. Not quite. Our society is an information-enriched society. Terrorist attacks will not go ignored. What you're saying shows a lack of understanding of terrorism.
Such that there is a way to prevent terrorism, it is better education of young people BEFORE they become ideologically compromised.
No, Terrorists are not crazy or particularly "compromised." You can't just "educate" people and they will be okay. There are well-educated perfectly mentally stable people who are terrorists... in fact, most are.
In particular:
- Paying attention to children with mental illness. The school shootings are always done by that one quiet kid who everyone ignored or mistreated throughout their life. There needs to be early and regular intervention School shootings are not terrorist attacks.
- Having a functional secular school system in Islamic countries, instead of letting it all be run by the mosques and emphasising the Quran over arithmetic, science and literacy. Terrorism exists even in America. Not all of terrorism is religiously-based. Your proposal will not even help much if at all.
So yeah I propose ignoring terrorism 100% (never speak of it again) and fix society's other problems in terms of education and social support in their own right. This is as realistic as telling the world to convert to communism with no corruption the way communism is supposed to be and think it would work.
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- Terrorism is not a threat, as in for an individual the statistical likelihood of being injured by one is extremely low
- Which fallacy? Do you not think we should attend to the more common causes of death first, especially ones where there are obvious fixes that could benefit from the sweet counter-terrorism cash going around?
- Reporting the facts is OK. It's the political messaging afterwards I have a problem with - the "we will not negotiate with these people" line of thinking. Even just pulling the President off holiday to say something is a bad idea. Don't give it attention.
- Not education as in, "we can teach it out of them". Education as in, we can provide a better future for everyone in general so that the specific grievances that lead to terrorism do not arise. In the Middle East it's unstable, oppressive regimes. In the US it's generally poor economic prospects for the poorest in society.
- School shootings ARE terrorist attacks for the purpose of this thread. The motions the government goes through are basically the same. The curbing of civil liberties shortly after one happens is exactly the same. And my solution applies the same - have an acceptable level of death and get on with your lives.
- My second proposal there only applies to Pakistan, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. I'm under no illusion that all terrorism is Islamic but the part that is, is often their school systems' fault.
- No it isn't. If Obama shut the fuck up about terrorism that would be 50% of the way to being fixed I'd say. No idealism necessary.
