AbbathTheGrim said:
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What did I wrote? What did I wrote that made no sense? Point the parts in that sentences that make no sense and that are not any different to what I have been saying here and to which you agreed (at least). I wrote this and then you went into a craze of asking me for proof:
You made an assumption that smartphones and such are the reason why casuals are not jumping into gaming. I said provide me proof, that’s all. What did not make sense was the statement itself. How can smartphones directly correlate to a casual’s interest in gaming? Because it can play games on it? Pshh.
So please stop getting you panties in a bunch, because all I asked was a simple question to prove it, which you still havent and most likely cannot since no such correlation exist.
You have your opinion about WiiU and why it hasn't been a spiritual successor to Wii in terms of sells, your opinion cannot be proven and it doesn't need to. Marketing could be a factor, yes, but IMO it simple wasn't an attractive offering that could get all things going like the Wii did, especially the "let's exercise our children with the Wii to show how good parents we are" thingy. Nintendo sat the children in order to play once again.
And did I argue against this? No, so why the heck are you bringing this back up?
The casual market is not paying attention, not waiting to see what next console they buy, they don't even know the difference between a Wii and a WiiU, they won't jump into another console just because they did with the Wii, they need to be reached and no one can take for granted that they will get a piece of them this gen. You agreed to this. What did I need to clarify when you say I just repeated what you said? I, unlike Op don't talk in absolutes saying the consoles will perform X or X way. Tell me, what is so contradictory about what I said?
You are not contradicting yourself at all dude. All you did was agreed with me that Nintendo did a piss poor job marketing the WiiU. You said they did not make an attractive offers well guess what, that’s what the marketing team is for. This is what I meant by your lack of business sense.
Oh, I feel so bad. The guy in here facepalmed at me, and I should feel bad about it. I didn't say better marketing would have helped Nintendo. Where did I say that? Marketing is always good, but better marketing doesn't secure Nintendo would sell the WiiU as good as they did with the Wii, that the same casuals would be in their pockets. Marketing always helps, it helps Micro, Sony and Nintendo. But what really matters is what you are offering with the marketing and if it isn't anything that will attract the casuals marketing won't help that.
I face palmed because of your ignorance. Everything you talked about with the WiiU can be related back to marketing, if you cannot see that you shouldn’t be acting like you know a lot about what consumers think because you clearly don’t.
Yeah. that is what I thought, you hand picked who to argue with based on personal agenda, OP writes the same thing you are trying to accuse me for, the very first post of the thread, and you go all the way to the second page to pick up a discussion. Do as you wish, you are free to do so, I don't care.
You know why I chose you? Because you did exactly what you were attacking the OP of, I was just trying to point out your hypocrisy, but that clearly has failed, and you turned this into a full blown argument.
We talked about casuals not distinguishing Wii from WiiU. If they didn't get interested in this "new peripheral", do you think it will make any difference for them to know it is a new console and not a peripheral? What is your reasoning for it?
Casual walks into the store...
Casual: "Oh, a new peripheral for the Wii." "hmm, not interested".
or
Casual: "Oh, a new peripheral for the Wii." "hmm, not interested". store clerk: "That is not a peripheral, is a new console." Casual: "OMG! I so want! I will buy one!"
I mentioned the "casuals are clueless about gaming progress" just to state my point that casuals are not paying attention to what is happening in the gaming world. Even if they become aware of what is happening their endorsement will be subject to whether or not they get interested. Breaking the boundaries of gaming and reaching the casuals is done with more than marketing.
Did I disagree with you that causal are clueless, because I do not recalled that I did. “Breaking the boundaries of gaming and reaching the casuals is done with more than marketing.” It’s only done with marketing. Explain another medium that can be used to reach causals.
) Show me the proof that these people who bought Kinect were casuals and not just the same people who already have an Xbox adopting it. You attack me saying that I lack business sense, I won't eat that and let you get a free pass. Show the evidence. Your point has no validity if you don't show evidence. Show me the proof. The Kinect was good business for Micro but Sony passed them with the PS3 even with the Kinect. PS3 sold more worldwide than Xbox even with Kinect.
2) How do you consider, like OP which you are defending in here, that Kinect will undoubtedly make a difference and take Xbone over the competence when it failed to do so already? What precedent did 360 make with Kinect that you expect to be repeated? Tell me which one? The performance of Kinect and how it did not put Xbox360 over the PS3 is only a precedent that Kinect will not necessarily put Xbone over the PS4. PS3 outsold the Xbox360
I don’t know what you brought this up before when it had nothing to do with your original post and nothing to do with my first response. You said at the beginning you cannot be certain that causal will eat up the new Kinect. I made points that clearly countered your statement with proof and you just completely went off on something else entirely. What does Ps3 closing that gap with the 360 have to do with causals buying into Kinect? Nothing, absolutely nothing at all, you were proven wrong so you tried change the very basis of the subject entirely.
Okay for the whole sales thing when did Kinect come out? Oh yea Nov nearly Dec. It had less than two months to close the gap the ps3 made in the rest of 2010 and nearly succeed in doing so, try harder :)
Kinect NEVER prevented PS3 from outselling Xbox360. The way you assure things without proof and your lack of knowledge is astonishing.
LMAO, I never said Kinect will prevent the ps3 from out selling the 360. So why is this part of the discussion? All I said was that you cannot assume the Kinect would not be a hit again. So I’ll ask you one more time why is this a part of the discussion?
A negative spin? What is my point? That unlike OP, there is no proof casuals want Xbox Live and no one, no one can take for granted that Xbox Live will be something that will attract millions:
I proved to you XBL memberships nearly doubled in a little over 2 years. Your response oh there still over 20 million people who own an Xbox and is not a member. This means you’re either looking at in a negative light, or had nothing constructive to say against it.
Yeah, they have an option of buying a PS3 and that is why PS3 is outselling Xbox360 yearly. How is Xbox Live an option that draws people and makes a difference that gives an upper hand when the competition is outselling it with what it offers. Best service? That is an opinion and pointless to argue.
Again why is this part of the discussion? I never said XBL will prevent the ps3 from selling more, I said it is attracting gamers. If XBL did not attract gamers, they wouldn’t be buying an Xbox they would go somewhere else. XBL is big selling point because it is the better service thats a fact. Whether it’s worth it or not is an opinion. Just because the ps3 sold more doesn’t mean that XBL failed to attract enough gamers, there are many other reasons for ps3 closing the gap this week. When causals think Xbox they usually think about XBL and Halo.
But again why are you trying to turn this into a whole other discussion? Is it because you lost from the beginning and cannot admit it? I am not going to bother with the whole controller thing, it was just opinion vs. opinion, but i still stand by what i said.
Hopefully. if you reply you will finally provide proof of what you are trying to claim and not keep coming up with more assumptions.
Well I have linked you articles right from the beginning so I do not know what more you want. Hopefully you keep the conversation on a straight path instead of derailing it when you know you’re wrong. Also I love how you keep saying the ps3 outsold the 360 so many times the gap is like 2 thousand and this gen is basically over, but I cannot blame you if I had to wait 7 years I do the same thing.
