AbbathTheGrim said:
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You are taking this wrong. This, as all the things I posted here, are possibilities. Unlike the OP which you should spend a little more time analyzing, most of what I wrote here as points was redacted as possibilities, while OP wrote all those things and wants to take them for granted.
The casual market gets entertained and takes away his gaze to other things, the casual market is not like: "Let me check what are the new consoles that are coming out and then I will choose which one I want". Someone will have to hit the nail to tap into this market and get something of theirs enough famous to attract the attention of media and get word of mouth going so that this market becomes aware of it.
I am not talking in absolutes, OP is talking in absolutes. Xbone could hit it big, why not? All is possible in a world where so many people endoreses things like the Transformer films. Nothing surprises me. But OP, YOU, ME, NO ONE can take for certain that the Xbone will be a success. I am not the one taking things for granted. Why didn't you question OP instead of me when he wrote this?
You should have said this from the beginning and I would have agreed with you, but instead you made a comparison between two different pieces of tech that do not affect each other at all. Had you been more sensible before and realize that you wrote something that made no sense whatsoever we would not be here right now. Also the reason why I did not bother to question the OP is because there were enough comments attacking him already, and yours was one of them. I just felt the need to help him out. You know what before you continue on please re read what you wrote before and read what you wrote now. If you had been more clear on your points like you wanted to OP to be with his we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now.
This is the casual market I am talking about. The one that doesn't even know the difference between a Wii and a WiiU. This is the casual market that is not paying attention to what is happening in the world of gaming and is not having much expectancy or maybe zero expectancy at all. This is the casual market that can't tell the difference between a Wii and a WiiU. Redirect to my first comment up there, maybe your own words will help you understand it better. In order to draw them casuals back into gaming, one of these companies needs to create an awareness that goes beyond the frontiers of gaming, to such an extent that can reach them.
You have your opinion about WiiU and why it hasn't been a spiritual successor to Wii in terms of sells, your opinion cannot be proven and it doesn't need to. Marketing could be a factor, yes, but IMO it simple wasn't an attractive offering that could get all things going like the Wii did, especially the "let's exercise our children with the Wii to show how good parents we are" thingy. Nintendo sat the children in order to play once again.
*Faceplam*
You just realized you said the same thing I said, but you did it two paragraphs when I did it one sentence. I said Nintendo’s marketing team screwed up you are saying the same thing essentially that better marketing would have helped. You know what instead of re-reading what you wrote, re-read what I wrote as well.
Fastest selling consumer electronic? Faster than iPhone, iPad, and even Wii? I am honestly asking you because I don't know and I am lazy to look for numbers, you are the one making this claim so I ask you to put forward proof to take this statement from yours for granted.
Honestly for someone who acts like he knows a whole lot about how marketing works and what not, how could you possible not know something like this?
Anyways here a link you could have taken two seconds out of your life to do this yourself but w.e
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/09/microsoft-kinect-fastest-selling-consumer-electronics_n_833706.html
The first sentence alone says it sold faster th ipad and iphone J
Kinect was successful, yes. Micro got a lot of profit from it I presume. But here we are talking about getting the casuals. Was Kinect as successful as to prevent Sony, whose Move controllers didn't sell anywhere near as good in comparison, from outselling the 360? If the casuals would have embraced the thing with open arms PS3 wouldn't have erased the gap like it did, 360 would have taken off.
It did 3 years ago when Kinect came out; honestly your lack of basic business sense is astonishing.
The ps3 started to close the gap once the Kinect hyped died off about 2 years ago.
Has Kinect sold more copies, more numbers of units than that achieved by the console itself? Prove me that this units were bought by casuals and were not bought by already existing owners of 360. I am sure new people bought new 360s with Kinect, but I also remember people saying they re-bought Xboxes - as they used to do frequently in this generation - when those bundles with Kinect showed up. How many copies were bought separately for gamers that were already owners? How many were sold as bundles? I am talking about Kinect getting the casuals here, not about Kinect being successful or not.
I cannot answer any of this, and you cannot either. Just by looking at the marketing for Kinect with whole Oprah give away and commercials the Kinect was targeted to the causals and not the hard core gamers. So it’s safe to assume that assume that Kinect sold well with the causals.
46 million? They are still 20+ million behind the units sold for their own console.
What’s your point? Oh wait I know, I gave you clear cut evidence that shows how fast XBL is growing and this only way you could figure out how to take a negative spin on it. -_-
Did you honestly think that every Xbox owner will have a gold membership?
OP taking for granted Xbox Live will attract new people. Of course Xbox Live has to increase, new consoles Xbox consoles are being sold and Xbox owners need to get into the thing in order to play online, they have no choice but to buy. He is talking about Xbox Live attracting people and, as he always does, takes everything for granted in favor of Micro. People could be interested in what Xbox Live has to offer or not, no one can take it for granted like OP says.
Oh man, think about it this way. If those new Xbox owners did not think XBL was worth it and it didn’t attract them to the console why did they buy an Xbox? They could have just bought a Playstation right? The fact is XBL is still seen as the best service (which it still is) by the causals cause as you said before causal are not in touch with the gaming world and MS has been king of the online market for so long they basically solidified themselves in the eyes of the average joe of having the best online service. Hence XBL attracts new customers.
Prove me that the touchpad will be useless. Show me the proof that determines without any possibility of achieving the contrary that this feature won't be used in a meaningful way. Demonstrate this to me or your point has no validity.
Why don’t you prove to me the touchpad will be practical and useful to gaming? Just think about it for a moment. Everything you do with a touchpad can be achieved with your basic tumbstick.
The touchpad could be used for RTS games, for moving the cursor like a laptop when browsing the internet, for playing games like Infinity Blade and make the character slash and attack in the direction you touch the touchpad. We will see what it can do and how it is used.
Halo wars worked well without a touchpad, so your RTS point just became invalid. I can use a thumbstick like a cursor. Oh so now I remove my hand from one handle from the controller to swipe across the touchpad to do moves in a game? So now the entire left or right side of controller cannot be accessed at all when it probably needs to be. Yes we will see how it works but I do see any practical uses for it.
Now, whatever it will be able to do will be more meaningful as it is an IMPUT METHOD isntead of just a thing that makes you feel the controller a little different in the triggers. I like the idea of the rumble with varying degrees of rumble depending on what is being done in the game, I like it. But in no way it will be more meaningful than an imput method which can help you approach what the avatar within a game does. You are simply feeling rumble in your fingers, instead on the palm of your hand.
……. It’s more practical than a touchpad. If touchpads worked well for gaming why hasn’t caught on in pc gaming?
You think is gimmick? I won't argue with you, arguing about such things is a waste of time. I don't consider it gimmick, so it makes your opinion against mine. Let everyone take them whichever way they want.
Agreed.
