| DevilRising said:
You know, it is possible for two adults to have a disagreement on something, without devolving into the speak and rhetoric of an immature, spoiled 13 year old troll. You ARE aware of that right? Just checking, because your post comes off like exactly that.
I stated RATHER clearly that Nintendo is obviously a company out to make money. I also stated RATHER clearly that Yamauchi's business tactics were at least somewhat ruthless. I ALSO stated the already-long-known reasons they impemented those tactics in the first place, as WELL as the wide-spread common knowledge that they had already really relaxed those tactics by the SNES era. And again, where do you get this crap that publishers didn't make money with Nintendo? Please, do tell me WHAT big, relevant publishers DIDN'T make money with Nintendo. Would it be Capcom? Nope, their games sold like hotcakes on SNES, and far better than they did on Genesis. And theirs were always some of the highest selling on NES. Konami then? Nope, seems like they did rather well for themselves on SNES too, as with the NES before it. Square? Well damn it, seems that FFIV, VI, Chrono Trigger, Mario RPG, etc. all did RATHER well on store shelves. Enix not as much in the States, but games like Actraiser and Illusion of Gaia still did good business for them. Acclaim/Midway? Again, there games like Mortal Kombat, etc. did really well, especially MK2. So I'm just not really sure who you're referring to that didn't make money with Nintendo back in the day. Because what I was talking about, was SPECIFICALLY in reply to your insenuation that Nintendo's third party issues of today, have something at all to do with third parties' reasons for going with Playstation back in the N64 era. And I very clearly pointed out information that was ALSO openly and readily available common knowledge to any gamer who bothers to look. Those big publishers left because of the CD format and nothing else. Many that stayed, like Midway, Acclaim, THQ, etc, did in fact make money on N64 with games like Turok, Doom 64, NBA Hangtime, Extreme G, SF Rush, Cruis'n World, Wrestlemania 2000, etc.
And as for that drivel at the end....and I'm not even sure a single word of that really merits response. You treating my post as if I'm just some raving "Nintendo Defense Force" kid, when that isn't the case at all, is laughable. What you're doing is an age old internet forum tactic, wherein you disagree with someone's post, so instead of acting like a grown up and discussing things rationally, agreeing to disagree, etc., you instead treat that person like their opinion is invalid because "Oh, you're just an _____ fan". That tactic is as old as it is lame. I highly suggest the next time you want to have a discussion, try actually having a discussion, and not just performing the equivalent of an internet tantrum. Thanks and have a nice day. |
You are acting a complete hypocrite and I have no respect for you. I assure you, you are no martyr. I mocked you because of YOU started insulting me. YOU started with the combative attitude. YOU started insulting other types of games as though only YOUR tastes are any good. If you say otherwise, then you're a liar. Out of all the different types of gamers out there, I despise the self-righteous, "the games I like are superior and special" kind the most. And you want to pretend you acted like an adult?
"Nintendo never lost third party support due to "greed". Anyone who believes that is a fool." I suppose you DIDN'T start out with a direct insult from the start? Good god, I can't believe you're trying to pretend you didn't start this. That kind of sickens me.
"So I honestly don't know what the hell you're talking about there." No, that's not combative at all.
"In an older issue of Game Informer, Bing Gordon, a former Chief Creative Officer for Electronic Arts, remembers what it was like dealing with Nintendo during the 8-Bit/16-Bit days.
“Nintendo was operating with near monopoly power,” Gordon says. “They had like a 95 percent share of the console business, and they had earned it because they took a huge risk. If a publisher wanted to get in bed with the NES, they had to fly to Japan, state its case for a development system, and if Nintendo deemed it worthy, there was only one deal on the table. Nintendo would sell the company a dev kit for what Gordon calls “a ridiculous price,” and after a game was finished the publisher had to send it to Nintendo, which would ultimately decide whether our not it would be manufactured.”
Gordon couldn’t believe what he was hearing.
“Wait, we spend all this time and we build a game but we don’t know if we can bring it to market?,” Gordon remembers asking.
Nintendo responded, ‘That’s right, and if we decide to bring it to market, we manufacture it and we’ll tell you how many we’ll build. You pay us half the cost, and then we manufacture it when we feel like it. When it’s done in Japan, you pay the second half of the cost, and we release it and you figure out how you want to ship it.”
Nintendo had the ability to block your game from coming to the market if they didn’t like your game. Especially if the game was similar to one of Nintendo’s first party games, negatively impacting Nintendo’s profits. EA had zero interest in a relationship with a company that punished their developers. A company called Sega would release a brand new 16-bit console called the Genesis (MegaDrive), and Electronic Arts saw an opportunity to bring their games to that platform. " -- http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=160229
Sounds warm and fuzzy, doesn't it? Whatever, I know you're going to rationalize and justify that, as though they were doing it for the good of mankind. Anything I say about what Nintendo has done, you're going to white-wash it, which makes it pointless talking with you. What is your response to Nintendo being fined by the European Commission for anticompetitive business practices? That they were doing it for the fans?
Yes, I am treating you just EXACTLY as you describe, and for a damn good reason. I mock you because you insult me just because I suggested a damn gaming company isn't all sunshine and roses, something which I consider to be a LOT closer to childishness. Have a NICE day.
