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sc94597 on 23 May 2013
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ultima said:
sc94597 said:
ultima said:
sc94597 said:
ultima said:

I'll quote KungKras for you, whose response is perfectly in line with my own position:

Who cares if it has the same genome as a human, it doesn have a brain, so it does not experience anything. It's not developed into a person yet, so it shouldn't get treated as a person.

Again, a fetus is a potential human being. Like a seed is a potential tree.

Many people define humanity by a unique organism which falls within the human species, which a fetus does, as opposed to one's brain-capacity. Likewise, we should promote post-birth infanticide because a baby is not a "fully-developed" human if we accept the definiton that a fully developed brain qualifies somebody as human. 

P.S The brain of a fetus develops within 4-5 weeks of conception. 

The difference is that an infant does have a brain and is in fact sentient.

I'm against late-term abortion myself. But abortion early on is not immoral. It's certainly not murder.

Would you say cats and dogs are sentient then? My point in asking that is that we hold humans to a different standard because they're human. A full-grown cat is more "sentient" than a new-born human baby, but killing one is far more excusable than killing the other, because one has far less of a potential than the other. Consequently, the natural right to life is more than just in regards to brain activity and sentience. 

 

The natural right to life? First of all, I'd say it's more of a privilege. Secondly, why do you think it applies to a fetus?

It is a genetically unique organism part of the population which is contained with the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens. As for the egg, are you speaking of a fertilized egg or an unfertilized one? A fertilized egg IS a chicken. A fetus is human, and hence it applies. As for your comment of life being a privelege, I'll just say most people disagree.

A good summary on natural rights. 

http://eyler.freeservers.com/JeffPers/jefpco08.htm

"Natural rights are those rights that are indispensably necessary for man to fulfill his potential on this earth. They are "natural" because they derive from the nature of man and the nature of existence itself. As explained by Thomas Paine, "Natural rights are those which appertain to man in right of his existence. Of this kind are all the intellectual rights, or rights of the mind, and also all those rights of acting as an individual for his own comfort and happiness, which are not injurious to the natural rights of others." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791.""