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sc94597 on 21 May 2013
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ultima said:
sc94597 said:
ultima said:
Mr Puggsly said:
ultima said:

Seriously dude? It was obviously a metaphor. It should've been clear, because, if nothing else, I asserted that it can't be called killing, then immediately afterwards talked about a guy comitting murder.

Edit: your position seems very inconsistent. You claim in another post that you're fine with the woman having the final say in whether the fetus gets an eventual birth or not. Why don't you want to charger her with murder if a fetus really is a human?

Why not charge her with murder? Because I feel taking away abortion would lead to other problems. Like women looking for more drastic methods to kill their unborn child.

So if people want to have abortions, whatever. I don't want to stop them. But don't tell me a fetus isn't a person so you can sleep better at night.

So? If the fetus is a child, then it's murder, regardless of the method used to abort. So, if the fetus is a child, then women should be charged with murder for abortion too.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying a fetus is not a person to get better shut-eye at night; trust me, I have no trouble falling asleep in the worst of times. I truly believe that a fetus is not a person. How do you justify calling a fetus a person? A fetus is a potential person. So is a sperm cell, so is an egg. Is it then also murder for men to masturbate, or for women to go through a menstrual cycle without conceiving?

Sperm cells will not develop into a person on their own, neither will eggs. Once conception occurs development begins. Consequently, a unique diploid organism is produced, and humans only come in diploid form. That's the difference between an egg or sperm cell and a fetus.

I'll quote KungKras for you, whose response is perfectly in line with my own position:

Who cares if it has the same genome as a human, it doesn have a brain, so it does not experience anything. It's not developed into a person yet, so it shouldn't get treated as a person.

Again, a fetus is a potential human being. Like a seed is a potential tree.

Many people define humanity by a unique organism which falls within the human species, which a fetus does, as opposed to one's brain-capacity. Likewise, we should promote post-birth infanticide because a baby is not a "fully-developed" human if we accept the definiton that a fully developed brain qualifies somebody as human. 

P.S The brain of a fetus develops within 4-5 weeks of conception.