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ultima on 19 May 2013
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Max King of the Wild said:
ultima said:
Max King of the Wild said:
curl-6 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Parenthood is too big a thing to be forced on someone who took all reasonable steps to avoid it. It should be voluntary.

And its not being forced. You just have no sound argument here.

Not wanting something but being made to do it anyway (be a parent) is being forced.

I didn't want a hangover but I was forced to have one because I got drunk last night. BUT I MADE ALL THE REASONABLE ATTEMPTS NOT TO GET ONE! I took pregame (a hangover pill). I drank liquor before beer. I ate something before drinking... but I still got one

Now that's a bad argument. You're basically equivocating. Here, you're using "forced" to mean "have to experience a physical consequence". When people say "forced to be a parent", they mean literally being forced by a higher power.

Even if one were to ignore that, it's laughable to actually compare contraception, which is truly a reasonable attempt at avoiding conception, to what you claim to be reasonable attempts at avoiding a hangover. Your reasonable attempts are more comparable to someone saying "I expect a lot of precipitation, I've killed a dozen spiders in the past week".

It is a bad argument isnt it? It's the same exact argument presented by curl. I used a technigue to analyze arguments logically to see if they are valid by substituting.

That's not what I said. His argument has merits. I said that your attempt at a reductio ad absurdum is terrible.