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Jay520 said:

Okay, I understand you now. You're right, the bolded is hypocritical, but I fixed that sentence in a later post. Instead of " A woman can only have a baby with a consenting male", I should have said, "a woman can only have a baby with a man who agrees to have sex with her." So, if a man does agee to have sex with a woman, and a baby is born, then he should take care of it, because he was well aware of this risk.

As for the comparison, that's a good point, but there's a difference. It's common sense that If you have unprotected sex then you risk having a baby. It's not so common to know that the tablets your boyfriend gave you are abortion pills (though she still should have checked). If a person partakes in an activity with certain well-known risks, then they should have to face the consequences of those risks. However, if there is some extremely unlikely scenario (such as a condom breaking, or your boyfriend altering pills), then they should not have to take as much responsibility.

BTW, I've changed my stance on if a condom breaks. If that happens, then I don't think he should have to support the child.

Too many variables to have one solid stance, even a difference in relationship type with the same scenario eg (a condom breaking) significantly changes my opinion. For example if a relationship was confirmed and the above scenario occurred I'd be leaning towards the father paying some form of support compared to a fling, where the mother took on responsibility on herself and that’s her financial burden

Glad you got the comparison, didn’t feel at ease using it given how large of a difference the two were on a moral compass. I still feel if one member of a relationship is being deceptive it’s unfair to ping the other with the responsibility of the outcome