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Jay520 on 18 May 2013
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betacon said:
Jay520 said:
ultima said:
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DamnTastic said:
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The man should have to take responsibility for the baby since he made the conscious decision to have unprotected sex when he knew the risks.


What if the woman takes the pill and suddenly stops taking them without telling the man?


That's a risk that the man willingly took and he knew the consequences of that. He decided to trust his girlfriend without evidence and it was his own fault that he was deceived. For that, he should reap the consequences. When two people consciously decide to risk having a baby, then they need to both need to take responsibility if there is a baby.

Also, women don't have more power over men. A men has the power to have a baby with someone else who also wants a baby. Similarly, women only have power to have a baby with someone else who also wants a baby. So I'm not seeing how a woman has extra power to have a baby. Both men and women need to find a consenting, fertile mate.

Wait what? so in this story you’re suggesting it's the women fault because she took the tablets without  knowing what they were :s . There is no risk if she continued to take the pills which she agreed to * that is a fault of her and not the man. It’s deception and entrapment and against his will. You also seem to suggest a guy can have a bay with anyone he wants, yes because a lover's child is very much the same as having a baby with a street fling. (Bolded)Also quite clearly not, well not from what you say is fine, by you a women can also con a man into having a baby.


^THIS^


I honestly couldn't understand what he was saying. Perhaps you can clarify?

You’re a hypocrite, you claim a women can only have a baby with a consenting male but quite clearly if you lied about taking a tablet and a child is a result of that, then the male should not have to take that reasonability. Look at your bolded and compare it to what you orginally said in the first paragraph. I also made the comparison to the female in the story taking the abortion tablets without knowing what they were, by your stance is up to the individual to know the situation at hand and take responabilty for any outcome. Both lied to thus taking that control out of their hands.  



Okay, I understand you now. You're right, the bolded is hypocritical, but I fixed that sentence in a later post. Instead of " A woman can only have a baby with a consenting male", I should have said, "a woman can only have a baby with a man who agrees to have sex with her." So, if a man does agee to have sex with a woman, and a baby is born, then he should take care of it, because he was well aware of this risk.

As for the comparison, that's a good point, but there's a difference. It's common sense that If you have unprotected sex then you risk having a baby. It's not so common to know that the tablets your boyfriend gave you are abortion pills (though she still should have checked). If a person partakes in an activity with certain well-known risks, then they should have to face the consequences of those risks. However, if there is some extremely unlikely scenario (such as a condom breaking, or your boyfriend altering pills), then they should not have to take as much responsibility.

BTW, I've changed my stance on if a condom breaks. If that happens, then I don't think he should have to support the child.