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dahuman on 18 May 2013
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Soundwave said:
dahuman said:
Soundwave said:


I think Nintendo's out of touch Japanese leadership deserves some blame here too, even Iwata has said they haven't done a good enough job explaining the Wii U hardware to many third parties.

They create these extremely proprietary pieces of hardware with odd design priorities (power consumption over raw processing power for example) then it seems like they just dump the dev kit in the hands of a developer, provide a moderate documentation, and then just leave third parties to their own devices.

I don't think Nintendo is doing an adequate job of explaining the hardware to third parties, ensuring that third parties are getting the most out of the hardware specific features, or even really trying all that hard to get developers to be enthusiastic about the platform or understand the product vision.

It's more just "we're Nintendo, you should be happy we're not treating you like it's 1996, here's our dev kit, make some games for it please, k gotta go, bye". It just seems to me like developers are largely left to their own devices once Nintendo drops off their kits and are given minimal direction or understanding of the hardware.

or maybe they just don't give a shit about what the western market thinks since they are making money either way no matter how niche they are, I personally want to see what will happen with them and the push for Indie games on the Wii U.


Well lets hope "they give a shit" in their pursuit of those smaller devs then, because attitude and company effort does matter. Nintendo often doesn't seem to want to do anything that requires effort as a company. Marketing? Can't be bothered. Selling the system to developers or getting them to really utilize it well? Nope. Lobbying for exclusives? We'll meet you half-way, but no closer third parties, etc. etc. etc.

Not giving a shit about the Western market, I wonder also if that might have anything to do with the fact that both the 3DS (yes I said 3DS) and Wii U are performing poorly in these markets. Gee, wouldn't that be a surprise, treat a market like crap or at the minimum be horribly out of touch and consumers go elsewhere. Shocking.

I think it is obvious they made a lot of design choices on the Wii U based on the Japanese market ... but that market doesn't want consoles period, so it's not like even Japanese consumers are embracing the console.

That's what I'm interested in finding out since that's another route of gamble they are taking, the thing about Nintendo is that they are always doing things really differently, so I'm constantly watching them to see the results. In a really strange fucked up way, they are the true innovators of the video game industry to this day, be it a good innovation or bad lol.

They did totally fuck up the marketing for Wii U though, whoever did that shit needs to get replaced ASAP as most people don't even know the Wii U is a new console.

I can't agree with you saying they are not helping 3rd parties to utilize their console well though as I've seen some pretty amazing shit from 3rd parties, the problem eventually became budget issues, and I can fully understand devs not wanting to release games for the system because they can't compete with Nintendo's games which is why they want Nintendo to go 3rd party since they want a bigger piece of the pie. It's all just money talk and has nothing to do with video gaming or gaming innovation from the 3rd party perspective. It's actually really sad how big game devs are mostly unable to take risks anymore.

I have no problem with Nintendo doing their own thing though, I always have other platforms for the other things anyways hehe.... I personally love the Japanese market and for as long as they can bring those content over, I'll be all over it. I also love the western market of course. It's quiet sad that we have to own multiple systems to get the best of both worlds these days, but the days of PS2 is long gone at this point, we have to make do with what we've got.