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sc94597 on 16 May 2013
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LiquorandGunFun said:
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of course, the kids are freshly indoctrinated from public schools, plus its a blue state so go figure. i think its a bad idea.

Actually why would indoctrination matter in this instance? They're talking about allowing 17 year olds to vote in the primaries. That isn't a inter-partisan vote. 


It can affect how they think before thye have to get out on thier own. Its different when your at moms house then when your out working. There is no such thing as a right to vote. 

Yes there is such thing as a right to vote when you are involuntarily part of a state, it's called suffrage and has been guranteed since the 14th amendment when the concept of citizenship replaced a sovereign individual. Suffrage is a positive right, just like due process of law. Also these are primaries. A liberal bias in the education system won't affect how a republican voter will vote for a republican candidate versus another republican candidate. That's silly. And your second argument is just as silly considering how many parents are unqualified to vote themselves, despite "working" their whole lives. As long as somebody is taxed they should be able to vote, otherwise taxation is theft in most ideologies. 

The 14th admendment helped women get voting rights but i really dont think a 17 year old is in that kind of perdiciment. That is more silly than anything.

Almost half the seventeen year olds in my high school had part-time jobs, about half of which paid income taxes. They certainly are in that predicament. Nevertheless, what makes eighteen any different?

Furthermore, if we are to contest anybody's voting rights it should be the uneducated, such as yourself. 

 I knew what the fourteenth amendment did when I was in eighth grade civics class. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


and if you quit paying taxes you can work for the IRS and the white house. to call someone uneducated is weak when you dont agree.  and i still dont think 17 year olds should vote.

I didn't call you uneducated because I don't agree with you. I called you uneducated because you are uneducated. And I personally believe that persons who are uneducated in regards to law should use their natural right to liberty to consciously make the decision not to vote.

As for the taxes, one must remember, "no taxation without representation." If you are paying taxes and you can't vote, then it is the government who is breaking natural law and you should push for voting rights.