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Augen on 14 May 2013
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KylieDog said:
Augen said:
KylieDog said:

The show is doing stuff so wrong.

Melisandre -never- meets the brotherhood, never meets Arya, never meets Gendry, Gendry is still with the brotherhood several books onwards, and he never finds out who his father is.

Theon still has a cock, he is made to have sex with -someone- many times several books later.

Sansa never finds out she is marrying Tyrion until she is given a dress and marched there on the day she marries him, she was to wed a completely different Tyrell because Loras actually wanted to and became a Kingsguard knight.

Jayne Westerling The Valerian tart is meant to be back at Riverrun with the Blackfish with a certain something.  Is GRR Martin fucking up the mystery in his books by just deleting anything that makes you think or wonder from the TV show?

Martin has minimal input on the show, he writes a script for one episode a season.  The writers have created characters, substituted and completely changed characters.  Much of this is to simplify or remove subtlety as many viewers are already lost by massive cast.

 

Sorry but that excuse is crap, they are cutting things out but then inserting completely new bullshit in its place.  Cutting out some subplots for time I would understand, can use the freed up time to focus on more important parts, but cutting out stuff to insert bullshit in its place is just a load of bollocks.

Give me one good reason Jayne Westerling is not in the series?  What exactly does the valerian tarts purpose serve?  What was the need for all the sex scenes that never exist in the books?  Why is Theon losing his cock?

Martin has a fair bit of say to the series, he isn't going to let them do something that will fuck them up for future series, so he is effectively letting book readers know much of what he is writing doesn't matter by letting major changes happen, he is killing his own books.

Jeyne Westerling never left much of an impression on me.  I think they wanted a character with more screen time and felt see simply was not that interesting.  I think they wanted a different dynamic for that relationship.  Do I like it? It's okay, but again I never had attachment to the book relationship.

The sex scenes, which I agree border on parody at times are there because its HBO and those scenes appeal to segment of viewers. I am not among them, but I have heard enough how non book fans enjoy it so it is there.  

The whole Theon torture scenes could easily be cut entirely and has been a matter of great discussion within the book community.  I think they have spent way too much time with it.  Seemingly they don't want show viewers to forget about the character.

I just go by what Martin has stated in interviews, that given his background in TV he fully expected compromise in his vision.  Weiss and Benioff steer the ship of the show, Martin is in more of a consulting role and gets his one episode to write.  Oddly the things you complain about were all on display in his episode so either he endorses it or feels cornered and works with it.  It felt like he tried to somewhat rework the Ygritte/Jon which was altered pretty severely.

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I have heard the endless complaints and some have merit. If it ruins your enjoyment, well, sorry to hear that.  I have had my standards so much over the years seeing countless adaptations utterly butchered.  You know film companies wanted to cut EVERYONE except Dany in a film.  So, with that perspective I see a great cast, some great effects and largely maintained characters and stories.  I waited too long for this and am focusing on the positive like "Kissed by Fire" instead of the odd choices to service the tv only audience (which is much bigger than us old book readers).

You show me a model adaptation of an epic fantasy and I'll show you throngs of fans who hate any or all deviations.  You can call this a bullcrap excuse, I'm just saying I fully expected this to be awful years ago when idea was in infancy so what I've got has been pleasant surprise.  The show is good, and I'd argue one of the best on television right now, even with its flaws.