nuckles87 said:
Chimpanzees. They have communities with laws based on hierarchy, they mate often in order to strengthen bonds between indivduals (love), and while I am unaware of any studies showing that chimpanzees have a concept of "right and wrong" (which, by the way, you do not need religion to have a concept for), studies have shown that wild chimps are capable of altruistic and charitable behavior, in other words "doing something good for someone else's benefit". But that's not really the point. Fact of the matter is, religion is old, and we don't have any sort of written records that go back to before religion existed. At least, religion as we know it today. My point is, humanity has always needed those things in order to survive. Your society does not need to be religious in order to have these values, and there are PLENTY of examples of religious societies killing each other over territory. The very existense of humanity depends on the existence of the "community". Alone we are weak, feeble creatures, but as a bonded community we are strong, and that is the only reason why we are still around. Law and order within a community kept it from falling apart, by giving guidance to indivduals and helping them settle disputes that could otherwise cause people to leave the community. Love is a basic human emotion that everyone with typical brain chemistry is capable of experiencing and has no root in religion (otherwise, homosexuality would not be a thing). Right and wrong is something every human had to understand in order to be able to interact with other humans within their community. These things you talk about are not things that exist purely because of religion. They exist because they are inherit to being human. Without them, humanity would not even exist. |
Really Chimpanzees, this is not even worth a rebuttal but I'll humor you lol
1. They have no laws or hierarchy the strongest rules because there is a higher chance of survival (simple)
2. They mate to continue the longevity of their species (not love)
3. Religion is old? So is every other thing we know math, science, values,morals, the wheel. Should not use them because they're old also?
4. When did I say that religious society don't go to war or fight for resources? That came from nowhere but it would be far worse without morals
5. Our very existence is owed to our intelligence, ability to reason, and the concept of abstract thought and use of tools. Even dodo birds had communities look what happened to their existence
6. Yes because every religion that has ever existed disagreed with homosexuality (tell that to the ancient Greeks)
7. Absurd, right and wrong is an abstract thought that stems from many religions. If someone was to kill 200 people why is it Wrong? without the moral guidance that originated from religion it's not wrong because he can simply that I was increasing his chances of survival. (right or wrong)
8. Your last sentence is exactly my point " Without them, humanity would not even exist." That is why every single ancient and modern society have religion and we come to full circle. Simply put No religion= No society
9. Just give me on society ancient or modern with no religion because they do not exists if religion is not involved.
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