Ji99saw said:
richardhutnik said:
Ji99saw said:
richardhutnik said:
Ji99saw said:
nuckles87 said:
Religion, in the long run, does not help or hurt society. Religion is not the only thing that keeps us moral, but if it didn't exist I'm sure people who use it to spread hatred and bigotry would just find something else.
Ji99saw said:
OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos. |
Religion did not build any of that, humanity did. Humanity cannot EXIST without some version of these values. Those things have all existed for as long as humanity has existed. Religion is, at best, merely a manifestation of these believes that links them to thiestic myths.
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What?? That's utterly ridiculous give me one example of this in a previous or modern society with no roots to any religion
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Communist nations pretty much are like this. Of course, when a communist nation ends up working, it takes on religious trappings.
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Like this? Last time I checked we were a Republic, and we are pretty rooted in Christianity as society, hell the Pledge of Allegiance has the quote "Our nation under god". Do you even know what communism is? Like I said relgion is one of the most fundamentally important things in human history.
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Communist nations build their own religious ceremonies, rituals and traditions, around the nations themselves, and the slogans of Communism, to bind people together. It is a secular religion. They are modern societies attempted to be built without God stuff. By the measures of this thread, religion refers to God stuff. Speaking by those narrow defintions, I was pointing out what you wrote is not correct. In a VERY general sense, you would be correct.
On all this, I have to wonder what is intrinsic in the word "God" such that it both doesn't exist and produces something seen as a great evil in this thread like this. God is supposed to both not exist AND also be very evil. That is interesting to me how that happens.
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They are still fundamentally based off religion, what I wrote is completely accurate and you have yet to give me one modern example of this in any society
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The thing here is, that I would be arguing your point in this thread, the way you had, based on what you said. However, this thread had been framing religion connected with God, to which I was trying to disagree with that. It seems impossible to get rid of the religious impulse, because people like religion collectively.
