the2real4mafol said:
richardhutnik said:
Ji99saw said:
nuckles87 said:
Religion, in the long run, does not help or hurt society. Religion is not the only thing that keeps us moral, but if it didn't exist I'm sure people who use it to spread hatred and bigotry would just find something else.
Ji99saw said:
OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos. |
Religion did not build any of that, humanity did. Humanity cannot EXIST without some version of these values. Those things have all existed for as long as humanity has existed. Religion is, at best, merely a manifestation of these believes that links them to thiestic myths.
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What?? That's utterly ridiculous give me one example of this in a previous or modern society with no roots to any religion
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Communist nations pretty much are like this. Of course, when a communist nation ends up working, it takes on religious trappings.
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Communist countries still have a religion, it's not the traditional religion anymore though but the state and the leader become the religion through rediculous propaganda
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But, the society attempting to be build is devoid of any theistic religion. Ok, if the argument is that it is impossible to be able to have a society that doesn't have religion or religious trappings, even if non-theistic, I think that is something I would agree with there. It seens the human mind longs for religious trappings, and will create more if needed. You can see in the likes of Scientology, and even doing Festivus, people want ritual and tradition.
