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Jay520 said:
Ji99saw said:
I hate when people discuss religion on this VGC, it's cringe worthy to read some of the comments from the some comments from people that swear there more intelligent than others because they "don't believe in any thing but themselves" and yet fail to realize how important religion is on a fundamental level. It's sad to see people fumble in ignorance.

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.


You might have a point if you were referring to more ancient civilizations...maybe. But this thread is talking about modern society where religion is no longer necessary for structure, so you don't really have a long to stand on here. Especially considering many modern civilizations do just well without a strong emphasis on religion.

What you have seen in modern societies, particular those of western secular nations, is an increase in the role of secular government to do things done prior to religious based societies.  You see in individuals who will call for smaller government, IF they care to even address what is done for people, how somehow religious organizations are supposed to step in the gaps.  But the trend is ever increasing growth of government in societies without a religious base to them, and them filling in these roles.  And ethics ends up also mainly being a matter of the person who is most expedient politically.