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sc94597 on 03 May 2013
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sc94597 said:
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Its so weird to me that the same party that pushed for the patriot act is the same party saying we need our guns for fear of the government.

Republicans would ban guns if they could. They know their voter base is heavily pro-gun though, so that's why they don't try. Many democrats vote against gun control as well for this very reason, particularly those in red states. 

Plus Republicans are more diverse than Democrats. There are social conservatives, neo-conservatives, paleo-conservatives, libertarian-conservatives, moderates, etc. 

I did not mean to oversimplify the party or issue.  Still  what I said is true.  The Patriot Act removed our freedoms for the sake of safety far more than gun control.  Giving Big Brother immense power.  Yet largely the same group that gave the government this power now argues to fear uncle sam taking their freedom(guns).

Also your point makes it seem as if you are only a republican or democrat if your elected.  That voter base is largely republican which is includes group of people I am talking about.   It may be the elected officials making the rules but these are talking points I see in this thread and hear on the street.

- disclosure:  I am a registered republican.

I see. As far as the Patriot Act is concerned, it can be explained by this quote from Mr. Emanuel

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." 

The neo-cons at Fox News did not let the crisis that was 9/11 go to waste. Basically the power cycle goes: Corporations own media, corporations sleep with government, government and corporations work together to influence public opinion via the media, public votes for more corporatist politicians. Voting is just a war over which special interests group gets what it wants from the people via government. The contradictions occur because people are mostly uneducated and unprincipled. So you'll see rights violations on different areas by both republicans and democrats. Hencely, there is no true liberal (in all matters) constiuency in the U.S government besides a few people here and there.