Torillian said:
BenVTrigger said:
Torillian said:
But all that means is we can't disprove something that exists outside the laws of what we know. Which is true since you take away every tool we've ever come up with for measuring or observing things around us. That doesn't prove there is such a thing, just that we can't make you stop believing in it. If I said that the land of My Little Pony was in another dimension you couldn't really disprove that either.
Also, the true view from a science perspective (which is the bulk of what atheism is based on) is that we just don't know how the universe came to be, but we're working on it. it's true that science has not yet reached a satisfactory understanding of what that beginning was like, but it doesn't mean we should just assume some god did it. That defeats the whole purpose.
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Its not assumption its logic. See my previous post. The notion that science and a belief in god cant co exist is absurd and one of the biggest problems in modern day "scientific circles"
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Of course they can co exist, the second we have reproducible experiments or even mathematical theories that prove god exists. Until that point science and belief in god coexist in much the same way as science and any other mythology that can't be proven or disproven.
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At this point the beliefe of a self replicant universe is mythology as well because there is no observable evidence to prove it. So yes currebtly all forms of first cause lie firmly in the personal belief section
