If Hitchen's challenge is correct, then why are there ethical lapses?

[BenVTrigger]

Jay520 said:

BenVTrigger said:

badgenome said:

BenVTrigger said:
The biggest irony of all is atheism is a religion.

So again his argument is pointless.

Atheism is not a collection of beliefs, it is one belief at most (one can be an agnostic atheist), and therefore not a religion.

Sure it is.  You cant get past point of origin.  If you dont believe a "god" or outside source created the Universe you have no other conclusion to arrive to other than the absolute absurd notion that the Universe created itself. in such a case the Universe itself is all powerful and responsible for the creation of life and thus "God". Atheists can try and hind behind their slander of religion when in all actuality to believe the Universe is capable of creating itself takes FAR more faith than any form of organized religion.

Atheism isn't a belief that the universe created religion; that's a subset of atheism.

Moreover, a belief that the universe created itself is undeniably less absurd than the belief that God created it. Even if both are absurd because they assume the existence of an all-powerful entity, creationism definitely takes it a step further because it assumes an entity which is not only all-powerful, but which cannot even be observed.

This post is not even remotly true.  And can be easily swept away with a simple thought experiment.

Imagine you decide to make a drawing.  You draw a big picture with a couple people in it, a house, some birds etc.  You just created your own "world" and Creatures inside of it.  Now if the figures in the drawing were capable of thought and speech and they looked around the drawing and saw all this creation but did not observe you within the drawing they might say to themselves "Look at this amazing drawing! It must have drawn itself since we cant see an artist!"

You exist OUTSIDE of your creation, not within it.  In fact this is true of everything.  If you paint a picture, if you build a sculpture, or design a video game.  In every case you yourself exist wholly seperate from the creation.  The entire point atheism makes about god cant be real because you cant observe him defies both logic and science.  Whatever created the Universe would never exist inside it.