richardhutnik said:
My post wasn't starting out as one regarding Christianity, or even trying to rebut Hitchens. It was mean to ask, if the measure for an ethical system is whether or not someone can do it, then why isn't there anyone anyone can find who is moral all the time. Theoretically able to do some of the time, when one feels like it, isn't a meaure of a good ethical system, or if it is possible for someone to do it. What matters, in regards to morals is how often someone actually does it. If Hitchens was right, then there should be totally moral people who haven't slip up once today. From this, the thread then became one not of a look at what Hitchens said on a practical level, but one about Christianity when this came up: Looks like others have already beaten me to the punch, but I'll say it anyway: why do Christians sin when they're told in definitive terms what is right and what is wrong?
So what was neither an attempt to rebut Hitchens, or end up speaking about the Christian religion became one BOTH about rebutting and defending Hitchens, and also on why Christian is nasty and really amoral, because morality has nothing to do with obedience to God, and then a big long laundry list on how God sometimes COMMANDS people to take slaves and rape, so thus, Christians are not moral, and their religion has nothing to do with morality. |
The answer to Hitchens question is simple.
At our core, as a species we are corrupt. There is no denying this. Its impossible for any moral system to lead someone living a perfect life because we ourselves are imperfect. This cant be denied and is an absolute truth regardless of religion or creed.