| BenVTrigger said: Reading this thread its clear most you dont get the entire point of the Christiam faith The fact he even brought up living a "moral" life as grounds to rebute the teachings of Jesus is well.....pointless? Im not even Christian. Have you "sinned" or done something bad in your life a single time? Then you are going to hell. It takes ONE sin to send you to hell according to Christian teaching. Living a "moral" life alone is not enough to get salvation. Christianity teaches Jesus was the son of God and lived a perfect life. Seeing as he was the only one to do so and being both God and man he gave his life on the cross as a substitute for the sin of man. The perfect sacrifice. So I litteraly dont understand the point of his rebuttal. It in no way addresses anything at the core of Christian faith and neither do pretty much any of the posts isn this thread. |
My post wasn't starting out as one regarding Christianity, or even trying to rebut Hitchens. It was mean to ask, if the measure for an ethical system is whether or not someone can do it, then why isn't there anyone anyone can find who is moral all the time. Theoretically able to do some of the time, when one feels like it, isn't a meaure of a good ethical system, or if it is possible for someone to do it. What matters, in regards to morals is how often someone actually does it. If Hitchens was right, then there should be totally moral people who haven't slip up once today.
From this, the thread then became one not of a look at what Hitchens said on a practical level, but one about Christianity when this came up:
Looks like others have already beaten me to the punch, but I'll say it anyway: why do Christians sin when they're told in definitive terms what is right and what is wrong?
Because human beings are fallible and influenced by many divergent factors. You know this already, I'm sure. In fact, Christianity hinges on this idea to a large degree.
So what was neither an attempt to rebut Hitchens, or end up speaking about the Christian religion became one BOTH about rebutting and defending Hitchens, and also on why Christian is nasty and really amoral, because morality has nothing to do with obedience to God, and then a big long laundry list on how God sometimes COMMANDS people to take slaves and rape, so thus, Christians are not moral, and their religion has nothing to do with morality.
