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prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.

I dont see how capitalism limits any of that. can you give examples?

It's not about limiting anything it's about a system that does not make the right to life....a right. There are lots of examples but healthcare is numero uno. How can a system be called Christian, whilst letting millions of poor people die simply because they can't afford healthcare? The early church basically converted people due to the fact that it nursed the sick, fed the poor etc. Those were the original set of ideals set forth by early Christians as mandated by Christ. If Capitalism were truely based on Christian ideals, no one would go hungry, be without a home, be without healthcare or left to suffer. Those things would be RIGHTS under the law, not options for those who can obtain them on their own.

nothing in capitalism is stopping that.  the bible still encourages work, and not sloth. its expected that people work for what they get.  capitalism in no way prohibits any individual from getting food, shelter, health care. it just outlines how to exchange goods and services and who owns said services. It also ecompanses freedom of choice. Which I also think is a christian value.

So basically, Jesus would support a system that ALLOWS the poor to starve and die of preventable illnesses? Because that's exactly what Capitalism allows.

Jesus expects the Church to do things.  It also holds individuals accountable.  And also, there is what you touched on, by turning a blind eye, doing what one wants and not putting themselves in a place to see.  The system, in a free market, is the people.  If the people don't respond, then the system doesn't work.  There is no magic anything, just people who do things.  If there are poor starving to death, and dying of preventable diseases, ask yourself why and ask what you have failed to do.  

Think of the song "Man in the Mirror" here:

What would it be like if like everyone tithed and it went to help those in need who are worse off than they are?