Yeah I think 12-15k sounds like the normal base now for Vita, it really just needs some games that the Japanese market wants and i think it would jump considerably. Its a shame really because imho the tech/build quality of the Vita is so much better than the 3DS... and really should have been kicking butt... but unfortunately thats how it goes sometimes, the best tech doesnt always win out... but some games would really help its cause.