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Kaizar said:
platformmaster918 said:
DevilRising said:

Is he presiding over one of the worst TIMES in American history? Absolutely. No quest, no argument. But who kicked off that "worst time", I wonder? Or was 9/11, the deregulation of Wall Street, the start of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and the eventual collapse of not only the US, but most of the WORLD'S economy, all Obama's fault, even before he had become a US Senator? You know, because he was secretly being trained to destroy America and all.

What was the national dept when Bush got out?  What is it now?  That's what I thought.  No I don't believe he's trying to destroy America or its economy, but he's certainly not doing us any favors by refusing to cut the most ridiculous things and considering his speaker basically said they should pass healthcare now and read it later I have to question how thoroughly he keeps his party in check.  He weakly responds to attacks on US embassies to the point where troops have to blatantly disregard the commander in cheif's orders to save their comrades.  That's scary bad leadership.


There was 2 seperate National Debts of the United States of America; 1 of them was 10 to 12 trillion and the other national debt in America was 45 trillion, which came to a total U.S. national debt of 55 to 57 trillion dollars by Q4 2008.

It's amazing how 8 years of Bush give us a Global Recession and how 2 years of Obama gives us a Surplus in America. (Dow Jones above 14,500, when it use to be like around 8,000 under Bush)

Start reading: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/

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