Universal Background Checks

[Kasz216]

theprof00 said:

Kasz216 said:

theprof00 said:

 

Hey I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that it's just as rare and not the solution.

Let's stop with "the media bias", ok? It's frankly a little tin-hat-ish.

It isn't just as rare though.  It's a lot more common according to most research.

The only research in which it isn't pretty common is when you make the standard of proof "someone has to fire at you or stab you before you draw a weapon."

That's why you don't hear about it... because it's pretty common.

 

Afterall you never hear about peoples homes getting broken into either... I wouldn't say that home robberies are particularly rare.

You can claim either side is right on specific instnaces... but the facts and numbers seem to lie pretty heavily on the "Anti-gun control" side.

Which is why a lot of people who wouldn't even want to own a gun tend to end up on that side....

and why popularity of gun control measures only exist right after a tragedy via fear... and then collapse back down to low levels right afterwords.  (47% now, with 53% disliking how Obama has went about gun control... will likely be even lower in a month or so.)

statistically more common?

And I'm pretty sure that local news reports every single death in Boston...so, not sure how that syncs up.

And yep, I do hear about break-ins. Of course not as much as they occur, but the news still covers them.

So I wouldn't take "not hearing about them is similar to not hearing about break-ins" as evidence of similarity. Some things get news coverage, some things don't.

Also the next sentence is a bit vague....the fact and numbers of what?

Gun control measures only exist after tradgedy? The bill that was just up was drafted before the bombing (if that's what you're referring to). Is that what you're saying? The bombing amped up gun control law?????

I... never hear about break ins... not sure what kind of news your watching.

The Tradgedy was Newton obviously.  There was massive support for gun control right afterwords... which quickly collapsed into nothing.

 

Outside which... total murders is something like 17,000 per year.(all murders mind you.  Not just gun)  Mass shootings we're looking at... 2-3?

Number of crimes prevented by guns range between ~50,000 (If you have to be shot, physically assaulted or stabbed first before you pull a gun) to 2.5 Million.  (You pull a gun when threatened and the other party backs away.)

With all kinds of numbers inbetween.  (Not even counting criminals who just avoid breaking into places because they think there might be a gun there.

So... even in the worst cases... guns cause more crimes then kill people.

Number of total people shot and injured or killed  is around ~100,000. (Brady campaign so if anything it's overstated.  This includes things like suicide  and accidents FYI.)

So if you use the very lowest of a lowball estimate there you can find SOME wiggle room.  Though... that's only accepting the fallacy that everybody shot would have no harm come to them if guns weren't around. (no stabbings, poisonings what have you.)

Of course... that's assuming your news talks about everytime some random joe accidently shoots himself in the leg with his own gun.

 

So yeah... the News doesn't report it, because it's really common.  (Or if you want to buy into a conspiracy theory... whatever.)