720 will Decide if WiiU RAM is enough.

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Captain_Tom said:

Low end and mid range?  AMD's released data of the 4-core Jaguar APU shows it coming close to an mobile i3.  The PS4 one will have 8 cores which should bring it close to an i3-2100/ i7-920 (Yes those are both the same gaming power).  Also the GPU is in between a 7850 and 7870.  That makes it stronger than the strongest AMD GPU 1.5 years ago, and it can still max out any game in 1080p.  It may be "Midrange," but this years midrange is way stronger than usual.  They then managed to put it on one die with the CPU!  That is impressive!

Yes, my  $1000 PC is 2-4 times stronger than the PS4, but it is impressive.  Nothing in the Wii U is anywhere near as impressive as that.  They took a 6570 and cut it way down so it uses small amounts of power.  Yay!

Actually the Core i7 920 has an edge in heavily threaded games, being a quaddy and all.
The i3 2100 is just a dual core core, so if what you say is true and those 8 jaguar cores are equivalent to a low-end i3 dual-core, then I reiterate it simply ain't good enough, I wan't next generation to *feel* like next generation and not just for the first couple of years either.

The Radeon 7850 and 7870 is Mid-Range. The Radeon 7950 and 7970 is high-end, the 7990 is enthusiast level stuff.
As for a 7850 maxing out any current game at 1080P, sure, i'll concede you that point, but games have been static in their system requirements for so long because of this current generation, how would a 7850 fair if games were pushing the envelope?
As for it being stronger than the fastest AMD GPU from 1.5 years ago, that's not correct either, it's slower than the fastest AMD GPU from 4 years ago, Aka. The Radeon 5970.

hinch said:

Derp. For you maybe and the other 0.1% or gamers out there with overspecced PC's that share your opinion.

For the rest of us.. we'll enjoy the next gen consoles and games. Back then, noone asked for $599 PS3, and now with the economic decline and recession in order I doubt people will want to spent that much on consoles. The PS4 is decently specced for what needs to do and will most likey offer great bang for the buck. Have you not seen the UT4 demo running on the PS4? That is impressive tbh considering the specs. You might not find it so, but it doesn't make it any less impressive for those who do not want to spend $1000-$2000 to acheive a similar thing on the PC.

In every topic I see you bashing the PS4 because you don't seem impressed with it (for whatever reason). It's boring. Its not specced like a high end PC. We get that. Now get off your high horse and stop posting about it.

Well. For starters, I wouldn't know anything about a recession, this developed nation never had one.

I'm all for bang-for buck, don't get me wrong, don't think I hate or despise the PS4 either, but some people have this funny idea that the console is going to displace all others in terms of performance, remember better hardware is better bang-for-buck if the price doesn't budge, who cares if the company goes a little more into the red? :P

As for the Unreal Engine, am I impressed by it's graphics? Sure. Could it have been better? Yes.

One question comes to mind though with the Unreal Engine 4 which is, like the Unreal Engine 3 are developers going to flog it like a dead horse? This generation the UE3 engine got so long in the tooth it wasn't funny. Graphically it had aged badly, Mass Effect 3 being the latest prime example I could thing of with horrible sky-boxes, texture pop-in and low resolution textures and that was on the PC.

As for the last part of your post, get over it. If the site wasn't dominated by Sony hardware threads, then I would have more choice to correct the incorrect information that people spread about hardware, just don't get all defensive because it's all targeted at Sony currently.