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happydolphin said:

@pezus, on indies. We've already gone over that, there are reasons to believe that, and saying "just no" doesn't magically make you any more correct.

DietSoap said:
Honestly, they didn't say anything wrong actually.

Their marketing sucks, 3rd party games have shown zero commitment after the launch software numbers and bailed aside from those paid to stay, the online infrastructure is years behind, hardware is obviously effectively last gen much like the Wii, and the saving grace of the Wii U, the first party games that justify buying a new console, are still non existent.

This whole first year is proving to be a huge waste of time and money both for the consumers and retailers for the benefit solely of Nintendo.

The real Wii U launch is at the end of the year, and until then, we don't have a reason to be proud of them.

@bold. The problem is they reject that as a factor and are rejecting the U regardless of what 1st party support it gets. That's because they have pre-decided that the U will have cube-like success no matter what arguments brought to them. It's called bias and it's wrong, and causes people to say wrong (read "incorrect") things.

That's simply not true, Jeff very plainly stated those games aren't out now because they're not. He very clearly implied they are in fact important games.