Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:
Michael-5 said:
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If they didn't want to be obese... they wouldn't be... most people have the choice. People do know what's healthy and what isn't. All the nutrition facts are right on the food. (or i suppose it's better to say, people would rather be obese then give up tasty junk food.)
As for Salt.... I have read up the effects of salt in your diet.
According to modern medical research... It has no sceintifically discernable effect.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-teitelbaum-md/salt-health_b_903673.html
It's not the first time most doctors end up behind the times because they stick to outdated preconcieved notions.
Also, World Factbook is a terrible source. Something like OCED works better but still isn't perfect.
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First, sorry for some bad typing, my keyboard sucks and doesn't always recognize when I press a button.
As for people being obese because they want to be, I doubt that's true. Why would there be so many diet programs in the world if that were true? Out of the few big people I know, I would blaime 2 things for their obesity. 1. Over-eating, just eating too many large meals. 2. Diet, Fat people like to eat a certain way. e.g. they want a pop and a burger every day.
As for those links, I've never heard of that before. I'll ask my co-workers/doctors what they think on Saturday. BTW One of your links does reference the 1,500mg recommendation of salt intake and says we don't need to be quite that low, but it doesn't say how much higher we should be at. 2,000mg is the recommendation on the nutrition labels, so all your articles definitely suggest is we should eat about that much, or a little more salt.
Still the recommendation by the American Heart Association, and other medical organizations is 1,500mg. Why is it still that? I'm betting you that the tradeoff for reduced stroke, heart attack, hypertension, kidney damage, osterporosis, and Stomach Cancer outweighs to gain in reduction of heart disease. While Heart disease is one of the more common causes of death in the USA, Stroke, Heart Attacks and Stomach Cancer outweight that by quite a bit.
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Anyway, the article you posted suggests that the average American eats 4,000mg of salt a day, and the worldwide I read is 9-12,000 mg a day. This is way above the recommended daily intake, so we still need to cut down the average salt intake.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20120521/Salt-intake-why-is-it-bad-for-you.aspx
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Also, I was thinking, if the pro of a high salt diet is only a reduction in heart disease, but it increases you chances of other things, then why not eat a low salt diet and run? Cardio Vascular exercises like jogging, riding a bike, or running are much more effective then a high salt diet at reducing heart disease.
So the cons outweigh the pros of a high salt diet, and you can get the same effects with exericise. I see no reason why you believe a high salt diet is healthy.
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Still, salt is one thing. Aren't USA and Mexico the world leaders of diabeties type 2 by population? What's wrong with regulating sugar content?
Same with saturated fat, 33% of Americans are Obese, and obese people just don't like as long as regular people. Regulate fat.
And HFCS, there is nothing good about HFCS, that should just be plain banned since your body doesn't recognize it as a sugar.
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Again... no data to support that... a lot of common doctors just end up supporting a lot of wives tales because they can't read up on EVERYTHING. Even when the scientific evidence is so strongly in the opposite direction.
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So I talked to 3 separate doctors about salt reducing heart disease and they all looked at me like I was crazy. They told me, what I told you, that salt increased blood pressure by diluting the blood with water. This makes the heart work harder on a daily basis, and makes it more prone to Heart Failure, and Heart Disease.
If you want to reduce youy odds of heart disease, jog.
Also, just something I learned from a few courses I've taken in environmental science. Don't believe news articles online, especially when they don't site the original journal article (like your links). News agency's often twist the truth. Heck I just asked for a 3 day ban because I had to finish a few assignments, one was a media critique. The article I found, sourced the original articles, and comepletly twisted it around. The article was about how Global Warming Models are becoming really accurate, and the news article was about how they were completly wrong, and global warming is a hoax. Plus in the comments section of his article, half the people believed him.
My advice, if you don't believe me, is to go to your doctor and ask. Go to multiple doctors if you have to, or a nutritionist. Nutritionists especially are responsible for knowing up to date values for nutrients, and doctors know quite a bit too.
If you want to read up on this stuff yourself though, don't read it on news articles. Go to a Medical Journal and look up actual research. Don't take someone else word for it.
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So I'm going to end this with the US, and Canadian Medical Accociations both recommend a diet of 1,500mg of salt a day. I'll believe them over any news article. I think it's you who believe in the wives tale told in the news atm.
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