Can we just accept that the PS4 is not a miracle box and move on? I think this discussion is silly considering that the important part is the games. I have no doubt that the PS4 will have good games and I'll pick it up once the price drops to the amount I'm willing to pay for a console and enjoy it. We need to stop comparing it to gaming PCs that'd rape it's face because they cost like 2-3x more lol...... I'm already tired from defending the Wii U, I don't want to have to do it for the PS4 and PC at the same time too haha.